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Turncoat
Turncoat
20. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 1:43 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 1:43 AM EST
I want Love of a kyle/sarah porportion before sex is even addressed!!!! 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
JMHthe3rd
JMHthe3rd
21. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 2:28 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 2:28 AM EST
Friends with benefits.

That's the best Jamerons can hope for. Cameron is a person, but she is neither human nor female and thus is not "wired" the same way as a human female. All the emotions and instincts that go with human mating *don't apply* to her. She is developing emotions and empathy, but they are of a *terminator* variety, not human.

The instincts of humans have been shaped over millions of years of evolution. That's why we get sexually excited when we encounter an attractive member of the opposite sex (unless you happen to be "wired" the other way). That's why we *want* to have sex. That's why we *want* to care for our young.

Cameron is *not* like this. Her "instincts" (A.K.A "programming") are those of a predator: always on the look out for threats and/or a target, and a deep seated desire to complete their mission. She can develop emotions and empathy, but they don't run off the same "rules" as humans. John and Cameron may develop deep platonic bond with each other and they may decide to have sex on the side, but it wouldn't be a "romance." At least not on Cameron's end. John would also probably have to come to terms with Cameron's true nature. They could be friends, and Cameron could have a deep empathy for him as a person (her equivalent of "love"), but it wouldn't be a "romance" as commonly understood.
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HealingMindN
HealingMindN
22. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 3:39 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 3:39 AM EST
"Friends with benefits.

That's the best Jamerons can hope for. Cameron is a person, but she is neither human nor female and thus is not "wired" the same way as a human female. All the emotions and instincts that go with human mating *don't apply* to her. She is developing emotions and empathy, but they are of a *terminator* variety, not human.

The instincts of humans have been shaped over millions of years of evolution. That's why we get sexually excited when we encounter an attractive member of the opposite sex (unless you happen to be "wired" the other way). That's why we *want* to have sex. That's why we *want* to care for our young.

Cameron is *not* like this. Her "instincts" (A.K.A "programming") are those of a predator: always on the look out for threats and/or a target, and a deep seated desire to complete their mission. She can develop emotions and empathy, but they don't run off the same "rules" as humans. John and Cameron may develop deep platonic bond with each other and they may decide to have sex on the side, but it wouldn't be a "romance." At least not on Cameron's end. John would also probably have to come to terms with Cameron's true nature. They could be friends, and Cameron could have a deep empathy for him as a person (her equivalent of "love"), but it wouldn't be a "romance" as commonly understood."
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, here. We know Cam enjoys the feeling of wind through her hair and through her toes and certain types of music and dancing. We've never seen her get aroused even when she's killing people, so we don't know what's it like to see Cam get aroused yet. We know she's very juicy because she can cry a river. As far as we know, once JC tries Cam, he'll never go back. Sure, the 'ship would be alien, but JC's a bit of an alien himself, isn't he?
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jhowell928s
23. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 4:38 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 4:38 AM EST
Jameron=no holes barred, non-stop sex-fest. Thinking back to all the women I've "known" in my life, the thought of a robot doesn't phase me at all. 2  out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?    
Terminatrix_2011
Terminatrix_2011
24. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 5:13 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 5:13 AM EST
i agree with termi-ninja-tor --- I have nothing against them having sex but i think it'd be better if it was just implied and if all we saw was occasional kisses --- in other words, show the whole relationship more as romance or emotional bonding, rather than an orgy 7  out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?    

rref
25. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 5:49 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 5:49 AM EST
To answer the OP, I guess you can call me an anti-shipper. I personally don't care one way or another if John is having sex with Cameron in the distant future. In the present though, I am strongly opposed to it. I don't think John is mature enough, and sex will just cause him more problems, emotional or otherwise.

But.... to answer the question asked by the thread title, I don't think John is "chaste." It was strongly implied that he was bumping uglies with Riley all night in "Self Made Man."
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conium
conium
26. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 6:41 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 6:41 AM EST
"To answer the OP, I guess you can call me an anti-shipper. I personally don't care one way or another if John is having sex with Cameron in the distant future. In the present though, I am strongly opposed to it. I don't think John is mature enough, and sex will just cause him more problems, emotional or otherwise.

But.... to answer the question asked by the thread title, I don't think John is "chaste." It was strongly implied that he was bumping uglies with Riley all night in "Self Made Man.""
By chaste I meant within a "John & Cameron" relationship, but you made a good point that what happened in "Self Made Man" was perhaps strongly implied, but there was no proof that they went all the way. So those who think that it happened and those who don't think it happened can't prove it either way. But I guess that's a whole other poll. Thanks rref for replying.
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spacesaint
spacesaint
27. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 8:30 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 8:30 AM EST
I don't think so-I think that as much as dislike Riley, I think John and her have got "busy". Do you find this valuable?    

KrelleK
28. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 1:42 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 1:42 PM EST
"Cam would not play the sex toy because she's a person. She would get JC focused on what he needs to learn. More likely, she would get him to sublimate his sexual energy into more useful projects and learning his kung fu. In essence, she would make him work for that sweet, cyborg honeypot."
or say not before you are 18!!!! or you have to me become MY JOHN, then maybe we can talk about it
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KrelleK
29. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 1:43 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 1:43 PM EST
"Um, I'm a big boy so I could handle a little physicality with said relationship.

If it's done tastefully or artistically or whatever... as long as it's mutual... then I have no problem with the sex part.

I've actually written a few different ways in which to do this very intimate act of love. None of them are explicit. There is the touching and emotional and tender build up and the afterwards, but NEVER during. This doesn't have to be a late night skin flick!

I even had one scenario where I tried to add a little humor to the morning after. "
which one was the of the morning after, i think i have read that one, ju7st cannot remember it at this moment.
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KrelleK
30. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 1:49 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 1:49 PM EST
"Honestly, I've never been into John/Cam having sex. For one thing...she'd break him :) I think the idea of a decades long protector/confidant relationship more fulfilling and romantic. And yeah, a future war ep about the tension between Cam and John's future wife would be interesting. "
yeah that could be kinda funny to see, especially if said wife is one of the few that think it is good idea to reprogram the bots to have a personality for themself, that could be somewhat understanding but maybe a little jealous of this little girlbot, perhaps after seeing Cammy around John one day, asking cam to come to hers and Johns room, and have little friendly but serious girltalk
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HealingMindN
HealingMindN
31. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 6:21 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 6:21 PM EST
"or say not before you are 18!!!! or you have to me become MY JOHN, then maybe we can talk about it"
You forgot the slap. JC works his hands gently and slowly towards Cam's nether regions, then SLAP! " Work Now! Good times later! I make you happy!" While she swirls her finger around on JC's lips like what she saw Vick do.
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KrelleK
32. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 6:57 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 6:57 PM EST
"You forgot the slap. JC works his hands gently and slowly towards Cam's nether regions, then SLAP! " Work Now! Good times later! I make you happy!" While she swirls her finger around on JC's lips like what she saw Vick do."
yeah i forgot that(the slap), and perhaps also make the finger wawing that the liquidmetal did in T2. after sarah ran out of slugs
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MyImmortal
MyImmortal
33. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 7:10 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 7:10 PM EST
I think I am going to watch Alpine Fields again. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
34. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 9:07 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 9:07 PM EST
"which one was the of the morning after, i think i have read that one, ju7st cannot remember it at this moment."
Yeah, basically I had a very tender and heartfelt exchange between Cameron and John and it leads to tender caresses (John brushes the hair out of her face, touches her cheek, wipes her tears away gingerly... Cameron brush's John's lips with her finger tips, explores his face and down his arm with her fingers as if taking him in... their fingers interlock for a moment like Sarah and Kyle's in T1 at the motel) very sweet kissing (John kisses a cut on her cheek from a scuffle Cameron was in and then her lips), and then finally it progresses to their first time... (they've been keeping their real emotional bonding a secret).

Then I cut to the morning where they are holding each other closely, wrapped in each other's arms under the covers. John is sleeping peacefully and Cameron is gazing at him raptly and reaches over and strokes his hair with her hand. It's a scene of true love, peace and tranquilty...

And then Sarah and Derek arrive home from an overnight mission! Cameron hears the truck pull up (she actually states: "Oh crap, it's Sarah!"), and then the humor insues as she tries to get John to wake up and they both start panicing. Cameron actually seems comically flummoxed and unsure as much as John is. This wasn't supposed to happen! This has NEVER happened with John and Cam before. Everything has changed.

Cameron quickly grabs the top sheet to cover herself up and ends up spilling John, ass over teakettle, over the other side of his bed (thank God he's wearing his boxers). She's hurridly grabbing her clothes off the floor in a big wad. John's hand pops up, grabs the side of the bed, and he moans: "I'm okay! Thanks for asking!"

Cameron quickly glances at John, rattles off "see you at breakfast!," and stumbles out of the room to the bathroom, and slams the door on the end of the bed sheet

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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
35. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 9:52 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 9:52 PM EST
You then hear Cameron stumble and fumble with a crash due to the sheet getting caught in the door. The end of the sheet then violently gets sucked into the bathroom through the door jam.

The next scene is of Sarah and Derek unpacking the truck and heading towards the kitchen door intercut with John throwing his clothes on in the bathroom and Cameron getting ready. Both are trying desperately to make it look like nothing untoward has happened.

Cameron looks at herself in the mirror and looks put upon. Her beautiful. lustrous hair, (so hard to get right), is a frizzy fright wig. John is throwing some hair gel on. He has so little hair to even bother with. He stops for a moment and looks at himself in the mirror introspectively at first and then his face brightens into a broad grin. He slows down and his panic starts to abate Last night was fabulous and today will be the start of something wonderful and new. He's in love with Cameron.

Cameron is still frantically trying to get her hair to calm down with her brush. She gets it about as good as she's going to without taking a shower. She starts examining the cleanliness of her teeth in the miiror. Then she breathes on her hand and sniffs it. And makes a very funny, gisgusted face. This is the first time she's ever had to deal with morning breath.

Derek and Sarah finally enter and see Cameron and John quietly sitting in the living room. John is sewing up Cameron's cheek wound and trying to act nonchalant. They are not exactly pulling it off as they look like they both slept in their clothes... and Cameron doesn't sleep.

Sarah: "So, what have you two early birds been up to?"

Together:
Cameron: "Cleaning the guns." John: "Helping Kasey."

Sarah looks at them weirdly and walks off. "I'm making pancakes if anyone wants some."

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DeusEx
DeusEx
36. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 11:39 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 11:39 PM EST
John has been chaste by alot of terminators. They just won't stop chasting him. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
37. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 30 2008, 11:49 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 30 2008, 11:49 PM EST
"John has been chaste by alot of terminators. They just won't stop chasting him."
As Nelson says on The Simpsons:

HA HA!!
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The_Turtle
The_Turtle
38. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 31 2008, 12:46 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2008, 12:46 AM EST
"I want Love of a kyle/sarah porportion before sex is even addressed!!!! "
I agree.I want it to mean something not just sex.
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predaking50ae
predaking50ae
39. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Dec 31 2008, 7:21 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2008, 7:21 AM EST
"You then hear Cameron stumble and fumble with a crash due to the sheet getting caught in the door. The end of the sheet then violently gets sucked into the bathroom through the door jam.

The next scene is of Sarah and Derek unpacking the truck and heading towards the kitchen door intercut with John throwing his clothes on in the bathroom and Cameron getting ready. Both are trying desperately to make it look like nothing untoward has happened.

Cameron looks at herself in the mirror and looks put upon. Her beautiful. lustrous hair, (so hard to get right), is a frizzy fright wig. John is throwing some hair gel on. He has so little hair to even bother with. He stops for a moment and looks at himself in the mirror introspectively at first and then his face brightens into a broad grin. He slows down and his panic starts to abate Last night was fabulous and today will be the start of something wonderful and new. He's in love with Cameron.

Cameron is still frantically trying to get her hair to calm down with her brush. She gets it about as good as she's going to without taking a shower. She starts examining the cleanliness of her teeth in the miiror. Then she breathes on her hand and sniffs it. And makes a very funny, gisgusted face. This is the first time she's ever had to deal with morning breath.

Derek and Sarah finally enter and see Cameron and John quietly sitting in the living room. John is sewing up Cameron's cheek wound and trying to act nonchalant. They are not exactly pulling it off as they look like they both slept in their clothes... and Cameron doesn't sleep.

Sarah: "So, what have you two early birds been up to?"

Together:
Cameron: "Cleaning the guns." John: "Helping Kasey."

Sarah looks at them weirdly and walks off. "I'm making pancakes if anyone wants some."

"
Cameron: "John already ate." ;)
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