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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	40. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 12:42 PM EST "Cameron: "John already ate." ;)" Somebody has a dirty mind. I was thinking more along the lines of: John [breathing a sigh of relief, and smiles at Cameron, and speaks so only Cameron can hear]: "I love you." Cameron: [blasé, and holding very still so John can get the stitches just right]: "I love you too... [and sounding a little off key, and figiting slightly] I'm wearing your underwear." =) Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Turncoat	41. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 12:53 PM EST "I agree.I want it to mean something not just sex. " (mock serious look) this is what i'm sayin Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	42. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 1:05 PM EST "(mock serious look) this is what i'm sayin" Of course, this is after a little bit of relationship development... when they finally express how much they mean to each other. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
alenvire	43. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 1:37 PM EST I'm new to the forum. Heck, I am new to the terminator series. But, after watching all the episodes, I decided I would come see what everyone is talking about for the series. This was the top post, and after reading just a couple of posts I decided to chime in before someone's opinion effected mine. I keep going back to episode 1 of both seasons. I think she was the newest model and something more then all the other terminators. I think she was created to be the ultimate infiltrator. I think they found a way to make emotions. Genuine, true, emotions. I'm sure other people have already said this... But, the whole concept behind AI is to become true inteligence. So that it thinks and feels. Not just running equations and numbers and senarios. Its supported by some of the stuff they have said about 'the turk'(sp?). How in the future it gets angry. I think she has the ability to have real emotions. And does not know how to handle them. Kinda like when I am sad for some reason, I try to project happy, or just a blank face. Easier to ignore or pretend then to face the real emotion. She showed in both episode one's that she can be all too human. I don't think it is a act. I think the 'terminator' is the act. Anyways, if I am right and she really does have emotions, even if she does not understand them, then why would it be so bad for her and he to fall in love? Sure, She is not human. But then, thier world is not our world. If the world suddenly found out that thier were alien's and they wanted to come live with us. To share technology with us. I believe the world could grow enough that the line between love. Woman/man. Alien/man. Woman/alien. Might start to blur. Don't get me wrong, while I would like to see love grow between them, I don't need to see them get more physical then a hug and a kiss. Running out of space. Will continue in my next post. Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
alenvire	44. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 1:55 PM EST I'm very tired and should be sleeping, so don't mind me if this seems like rambleing. I just wanna tell others what I think. Anyways, There has been no proof that Cameron was sent back to protect John other then that is what she has said. What if John was dead, and she sent herself back? I'm actually wondering if she reprogramed herself. In Season2ep1 she is handed the gun, and her programing lists John identified, mission, terminate. Then, it says termination override. She said it herself, they do a complete wipe of thier memories. After I wiped her memory, I would have not programed in to override the termination. I would have made sure there was no termination in her anymore. Of course, I freely admit that its possible john added the termination abort so that if her old programing showed up, which some of them do go bad, that it could try and stop it. But, I prefer when given the choices, to make her something more then normal. To not cookie cut her to something normal, like all the other cyborgs that John re programs. I kinda like the idea of growth. Ruthless killing machine programed a little too well, learns too much. Obtains empathy, which moves to stronger emotions. Which over rides her own programing, and leads to a future that could be more then just them, or us. Admitedly, after saying that I realise it is a bit like another movie out there. But meh. I read a lot. Sci fi, fantasy, everything. I have a active imagination, and have seen love between humans from different planets. Humans and aliens that look human. Humans and flat out non humans. aliens/elves/centaur. I have seen love like family. Like brothers and sisters. I have seen love like what we all have for our closest friends. And I have seen love that can only be described as intimate. I dislike the idea of love between a machine and a human. Too much sexbot in that equation. But, I love the idea of AI who evolved beyond simple programing, to something more, with a human. Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
alenvire	45. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 2:18 PM EST One thought I had was that she was sent back, and is supposed to act like she is a normal cyborg. Or maybe had the real her put on standby. Like running your computer in safe mode. Wether john did that, or she herself did it, I don't know, nor care. Everyone in this show that has been sent back, has come back with a completely different goal then the obvious one that they were supposed to be here for. Reese, he was supposed to do recon? but planned to change everything and stop the war from happening, before he even left. His girl? AWoL? instead she has her own mission. Why can't cameron be hiding behind the job of protector, when it could be so much more? I don't pretend to know what the writers are thinking. Or what they should do. I'm too tired to know if I hit everything. I'll just mention one last time season2ep1. My favorite part of the series so far is when she is pinned. She starts to break down. Not a a emotionless machine, but a scared person. Sure, people have argued (i'm sure) that it was a act. But I doubt it. He said her chip was damaged and he could fix it. We saw him 'working' on it. I'm sorry, but you don't fix a damaged computer part by cleaning it. Wiping it down. When your cpu starts going bad, its more then dusting that will get it working again. There is a reason why we just replace computer parts that start to break. he did no repairs with a rag and brush. So, when he put the chip back in, that was the same person from when he disabled her. I'm sure people have said this, and there was a lot of counters. But, I wanted to get my point out there. Not sure this was the right place for it. As I said, I am tired. So let me answer the starting posts question. No, I don't think it means he is chaste. Physical love is as much a part of love as emotional love. It is a shareing that goes beyond sex. And, she has said she feels. Who says she can't enjoy/want it also? Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	46. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 3:34 PM EST "One thought I had was that she was sent back, and is supposed to act like she is a normal cyborg. Or maybe had the real her put on standby. Like running your computer in safe mode. Wether john did that, or she herself did it, I don't know, nor care. Everyone in this show that has been sent back, has come back with a completely different goal then the obvious one that they were supposed to be here for. Reese, he was supposed to do recon? but planned to change everything and stop the war from happening, before he even left. His girl? AWoL? instead she has her own mission. Why can't cameron be hiding behind the job of protector, when it could be so much more? I don't pretend to know what the writers are thinking. Or what they should do. I'm too tired to know if I hit everything. I'll just mention one last time season2ep1. My favorite part of the series so far is when she is pinned. She starts to break down. Not a a emotionless machine, but a scared person. Sure, people have argued (i'm sure) that it was a act. But I doubt it. He said her chip was damaged and he could fix it. We saw him 'working' on it. I'm sorry, but you don't fix a damaged computer part by cleaning it. Wiping it down. When your cpu starts going bad, its more then dusting that will get it working again. There is a reason why we just replace computer parts that start to break. he did no repairs with a rag and brush. So, when he put the chip back in, that was the same person from when he disabled her. I'm sure people have said this, and there was a lot of counters. But, I wanted to get my point out there. Not sure this was the right place for it. As I said, I am tired. So let me answer the starting posts question. No, I don't think it means he is chaste. Physical love is as much a part of love as emotional love. It is a shareing that goes beyond sex. And, she has said she feels. Who says she can't enjoy/want it also?" Welcome! Does that mean you have never seen The Terminator and Terminator 2: Extended Cut? You need to see the T2 extended cut without the "future coda" sequence (cut for a reason) as it's more fully fleshed out than the theatrical cut. Just like the extended cuts of "The Lord of the Rings" are better. I suggest you watch those back to back. Ignore T3 as it doesn't equate here and is a pretty poor film (no James Cameron involvement). Then watch this TV show. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	47. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 3:41 PM EST Oh, and alenvire, I have even gone so far as to not only hook John and Cameron up, but have them having to raise Savannah as their daughter after Weaver is destroyed. Cameron takes a liking to and then becomes motherly and loving to Savannah (no deception involved like Weaver, but straight up, real love and affection)... and if she is threatened in any way, shape, or form... God help you! Hell hath no fury like a female Terminator protecting her lover and her child! =) Post reply 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	48. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 3:47 PM EST "Oh, and alenvire, I have even gone so far as to not only hook John and Cameron up, but have them having to raise Savannah as their daughter after Weaver is destroyed. Cameron takes a liking to and then becomes motherly and loving to Savannah (no deception involved like Weaver, but straight up, real love and affection)... and if she is threatened in any way, shape, or form... God help you! Hell hath no fury like a female Terminator protecting her lover and her child! =)" Speaking of that... I can picture a still photo of John and Cameron raising guns towards an oncoming threat (John is slightly in front of Cameron) with Cameron holding, protectively, Savannah in her arms. Post reply 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
HealingMindN	49. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 4:43 PM EST "Speaking of that... I can picture a still photo of John and Cameron raising guns towards an oncoming threat (John is slightly in front of Cameron) with Cameron holding, protectively, Savannah in her arms. " Cuckoo, would you be surprised if someone stole your concepts for the big screen? What about some John Henry / CW action too? You never know. Maybe they're all about the lust. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
joecanada83	50. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 7:17 PM EST "Oh, and alenvire, I have even gone so far as to not only hook John and Cameron up, but have them having to raise Savannah as their daughter after Weaver is destroyed. Cameron takes a liking to and then becomes motherly and loving to Savannah (no deception involved like Weaver, but straight up, real love and affection)... and if she is threatened in any way, shape, or form... God help you! Hell hath no fury like a female Terminator protecting her lover and her child! =)" It's unlikely that Cameron would look after Savannah. But I do see one of the other workers would take that kind of responsibility instand. No it would make more sense to have Cameron look after or to be more of an mother figure to Alison Young. Lets face it Alison is the most logical choice for Cameron and even John himself to look after her casue without Alison Cameron wouldn't be there in the first place to protect John. As to answer the question for this thread I'll have to say "Chaste" because I am a Jameron fan myself and would love to see a growing relationship to develop soon. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	51. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Dec 31 2008, 8:29 PM EST "It's unlikely that Cameron would look after Savannah. But I do see one of the other workers would take that kind of responsibility instand. No it would make more sense to have Cameron look after or to be more of an mother figure to Alison Young. Lets face it Alison is the most logical choice for Cameron and even John himself to look after her casue without Alison Cameron wouldn't be there in the first place to protect John. As to answer the question for this thread I'll have to say "Chaste" because I am a Jameron fan myself and would love to see a growing relationship to develop soon. " Here's why I chose Savannah. In a previous thread I showed how Cameron basically is like a silent guardian angel to baby Allison to make up for her past misdeed... murder. She feels a kind of remorse, but she's not at the stage where she can confront the Young's face to face and ask to be forgiven. It was actually tied into a type of Christmas themed episode that instead of focusing on "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" it focused on Dr. Seuss' "How the Grinch Stole Christmas." It's where Cameron's heart grows. She's the Grinch who doesn't understand the concept of the Christmas season, but when she does she acts out of pure thoughtfulness and visits the Young's with a Christmas gift. She leaves the present on the doorstep, rings the bell, and drives off in the truck. It's a beautifully wrapped, large box with a big and festive bow addressed to Allison from "a friend"... containing a big, fluffy, kindly-looking Teddy bear. Around the bear's neck, tied with a red ribbon... a velvet bag filled with uncut diamonds worth a small fortune. It's Cameron's unique way of saying she's sorry. After all, diamonds are a girl's best friend. Savannah is another story. She has no one. Her dad is gone, her real mom is gone, and the Connors have to get rid of Catherine the T-Series Terminator somehow. Cameron is captured and taken to Weaver's building. Catherine finds out that she's here in the past and wants her back under her wing... her real "daughter." Because Savannah is there Cameron and she hit it off and start to bond. In a bizarre way, Savannah is now Cameron's younger sister. Cameron wants to protect her from Weaver and her schemes. It's called taking responsibility. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	52. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Jan 1 2009, 4:12 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 1 2009, 4:12 PM EST The next "walk on the wild side" moment would be if Cameron walks up to John tentatively. She has a very cautious, odd look on her face. Cameron: "Um, John?" John [looks up at her]: "Yeah?" Cameron: "Uh... remember the other night?" John [starting to smile]: "I'll never forget it." Cameron {looking down demurely at her feet]: "Neither will I." John [gets up and moves over to her and places a hand on her shoulder, concerned]: "Cam, what's wrong?" Cameron [shuffling her feet a tiny bit]: "Oh... nothing much... [looking directly into his eyes] I'm pregnant." John [freezing in place... the bomb has dropped... a big, big H-bomb]: "You're... you're..." Cameron [weakly smiling]: "Surprise...!" John collapses in a heap on the floor. Cameron [hurridly bends down over his limp body, with real shock]: "John? John!" [looking up and yelling across the room]: "Sarah! Call Charley!!" Sarah [stepping around the corner, spatula in hand, with a deer in the headlights look as she bolts into the living room]. Cameron: It's John! I think he's blown a fuse!" Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LuckiiBeckii	53. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Jan 1 2009, 4:28 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 1 2009, 4:28 PM EST wow, cuckoo going by the way you commandeered this thread, I'd hate to see you as a pirate! XD Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	54. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Jan 1 2009, 4:45 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 1 2009, 4:45 PM EST "wow, cuckoo going by the way you commandeered this thread, I'd hate to see you as a pirate! XD" Arrrrr! Shivver me timbers! LOL! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
rjmatz	55. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Jan 1 2009, 5:13 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 1 2009, 5:13 PM EST going back on topic. either one works for me. i just would like to see the relationship advance (and i use relationship in the general not romantic context) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	56. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Jan 1 2009, 5:26 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 1 2009, 5:26 PM EST John is laying on the couch, kinda groggy and out of it. Cameron comes in and sits down next to him, handing him a glass of water and a couple Tylenol. John [taking the offering]: "Thank you." There's an awkward pause as he downs the pills and the entire 16 oz glass of water. John: "That wasn't a joke... no... lying involved... you're really...?" Cameron [nodding solemnly]: "I'm really..." John [propping himself up on one arm, placing his other hand across Cameron's]: "How...?" Cameron [looking away]: "I told you I'm different." [glancing back and seeing that it wasn't enough for John] "Look, it's... complicated... we don't like to talk about it." Another awkward pause. Cameron: "Are you angry with me?" John [mockingly]: "No... no... why should I be angry? I fall in love with a machine... we... we... um... we,,, and the next thing you know: hey, look everybody, I'm a teenager with a knocked up, killer cyborg girlfriend. Waah hoo! Break out the cigars! I'm going to be a... [choking on his words, and finally getting serious] daddy." Cameron [looking somewhat crestfallen and starting to rise]: "You're angry... I'll go now." John [grasps her hand and sits up fully]: "Please...sit down. I'm sorry. It's just all so much for me to take in. Everything's going so fast..." Cameron: "...that your head is spinning. Welcome to my world." [she looks down at her flat middle and touches her perfectly formed belly] "Will you still love me if I look like Kasey did?" John: "What, a beached whale? I'll have to think about that." John smiles at her, and Cameron looks at him strangely. Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LuckiiBeckii	57. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Jan 1 2009, 5:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 1 2009, 5:30 PM EST GAAAAAAAAAAAAH how can something so wrong sound so right? XDD Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs	58. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Jan 1 2009, 5:52 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 1 2009, 5:52 PM EST "GAAAAAAAAAAAAH how can something so wrong sound so right? XDD" Come, drink the Kool Aide, Becki. Be one of us... Becki, Becki, Becki... LOL!! =) Jeez, I sound like one of the vampires in "The Lost Boys." Good flick, by the way. Faaaar better than that crappy "Twilight" junk. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
avrilfangz	59. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not? Jan 2 2009, 12:27 AM EST "OK, this whole Jameron thing is getting a little ridiculous. Has it really been discussed to death so much that we need to start arguing semantics just to keep it going? We really need some new episodes." Say it like u mean it, use caps !! lol Jameron? This whole fad with blending the two names was pretty lame after hearing it twice. The first time, just kinda lame but I wasnt sure, the second time I was certain. lol Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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