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conium
conium
80. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 3 2009, 4:26 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 3 2009, 4:26 PM EST
"Why can't they just fuck for the sake of fucking? Why do people want to make things so hard and complicated with talk of spiritual development jibberish and other associated nonsense? It's a fantasy TV show, stop injecting theories of psychobabble into it. All of this stuff is why people are so hung up about sex to begin with. "Don't stare at my X, don't put it there..." People wonder why they're so unhappy and unfulfilled. Instead of worrying about what your parents or priest will think, focus on what feels good, and then you'll see just how fulfilling sex can be. You'll learn to enjoy it for what it is and nothing else."
"Why can't they just f### for the sake of F###ing?"
Because they would be selling themselves short.

With this view a person's missing out on 2/3 of what sex is about.

There are different levels of intimacy. Usually people are only aware of a level of intimacy that they themselves have reached(or seriously thought about/imagined), and not above. That's one reason some women read romance novels, it allows them to imagine a level of intimacy and "unity" that they might be missing because their husband/boyfriend is just using them as a "hole".

"It's a fantasy TV show, stop injecting theories of psychobabble into it."
It's not "theories of psychobabble". It's something that is deeply ingrained in our nature and who we are as humans.

"People wonder why they're so unhappy and unfulfilled."
LOL,
People feel so unhappy and unfulfilled because they think a relationship is mainly about sex. They think that F### is just for the sake of F###ing.
Once the excitement and and "newness" is gone, they have trouble justifying the relationship, and the relationship dissolves. More and more people think sex is just for sex, and more and more people get divorced. (*1) Divorce is an admittance of failure.

If you're driving an Impala, and you've never seen or driven a Porshe(or any other, better car), you might be very happy and think that you have the best car on the road. But the moment that you drive a Porshe, and realize that half the people in your neighborhood are driving Porshes, you might not be as happy having to return to your Impala. Hopefully you won't still have the delusion that it's the best car on the road.

"You'll learn to enjoy it for what it is and nothing else."
Buddy, you're driving an Impala.

(*1)there are other reasons.
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jhowell928s
81. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 3 2009, 5:09 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 3 2009, 5:09 PM EST
""Why can't they just f### for the sake of F###ing?"
Because they would be selling themselves short.

With this view a person's missing out on 2/3 of what sex is about.

There are different levels of intimacy. Usually people are only aware of a level of intimacy that they themselves have reached(or seriously thought about/imagined), and not above. That's one reason some women read romance novels, it allows them to imagine a level of intimacy and "unity" that they might be missing because their husband/boyfriend is just using them as a "hole".

"It's a fantasy TV show, stop injecting theories of psychobabble into it."
It's not "theories of psychobabble". It's something that is deeply ingrained in our nature and who we are as humans.

"People wonder why they're so unhappy and unfulfilled."
LOL,
People feel so unhappy and unfulfilled because they think a relationship is mainly about sex. They think that F### is just for the sake of F###ing.
Once the excitement and and "newness" is gone, they have trouble justifying the relationship, and the relationship dissolves. More and more people think sex is just for sex, and more and more people get divorced. (*1) Divorce is an admittance of failure.

If you're driving an Impala, and you've never seen or driven a Porshe(or any other, better car), you might be very happy and think that you have the best car on the road. But the moment that you drive a Porshe, and realize that half the people in your neighborhood are driving Porshes, you might not be as happy having to return to your Impala. Hopefully you won't still have the delusion that it's the best car on the road.

"You'll learn to enjoy it for what it is and nothing else."
Buddy, you're driving an Impala.

(*1)there are other reasons."
Actually, I drive a Porsche hence the 928s part of my name.

People have delusional expectations with regard to sex and that is why they find themselves getting divorced. Stupid romance novels only serve to heighten those expectations into something so unrealistic that the people who believe in them find themselves let down constantly because nothing in life ever lives up to those expectations.

Please tell me what 2/3 I'm missing out on because last night, I "f###ed" someone just for the sake of "f###ing" them. And to be honest, I'm not feeling incomplete at the moment.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
82. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 12:04 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 12:04 AM EST
"Actually, I drive a Porsche hence the 928s part of my name.

People have delusional expectations with regard to sex and that is why they find themselves getting divorced. Stupid romance novels only serve to heighten those expectations into something so unrealistic that the people who believe in them find themselves let down constantly because nothing in life ever lives up to those expectations.

Please tell me what 2/3 I'm missing out on because last night, I "f###ed" someone just for the sake of "f###ing" them. And to be honest, I'm not feeling incomplete at the moment. "
Are you a shallow person much?
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alenvire
83. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 3:09 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 3:09 AM EST
Sex is great. Sex, for sex is fine. But if you are not looking for more, you are letting yourself down. I have had sex and I have made love. Love makeing is so much better. I feel sorry for you if you think sex is good enough and you don't need to try and find more. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
LuckiiBeckii
LuckiiBeckii
84. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 3:50 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 3:50 AM EST
wow...then I guess the people who are in it for "true love" and only see sex as a perk must be REALLY screwed up, according to you. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
conium
conium
85. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 5:43 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 5:43 AM EST
"Actually, I drive a Porsche hence the 928s part of my name.

People have delusional expectations with regard to sex and that is why they find themselves getting divorced. Stupid romance novels only serve to heighten those expectations into something so unrealistic that the people who believe in them find themselves let down constantly because nothing in life ever lives up to those expectations.

Please tell me what 2/3 I'm missing out on because last night, I "f###ed" someone just for the sake of "f###ing" them. And to be honest, I'm not feeling incomplete at the moment. "
"People have delusional expectations with regard to sex and that is why they find themselves getting divorced."
Yes, there are many divorces that occur because of these "expectations" especially when it comes to the bedroom.
Infidelity is one of the top reasons for divorce.

"Stupid romance novels only serve to heighten those expectations into something so unrealistic that the people who believe in them find themselves let down constantly because nothing in life ever lives up to those expectations."

No, Nothing in "YOUR" life ever lives up to those expectations.
"I f###ed someone just for the sake of f###ing them."
And that's why.

If you don't even believe in the possibility of such a relationship, then you will never have such a relationship.
There are no perfect relationships, just as there are no perfect people. But with faith(and I don't mean religion) and effort, such a relationship is possible, and achievable.

Some people think that there's no point in restoring an old, no-longer produced Porsche. You see it and you think about what could be. After all the work you put into your vehicle, if something happened to your car, and it became an un-repairable write-off, how would you feel? There are many people who would rather die than let something happen to their spouse. If all they ever concentrated on was "feeling good" then they would just find someone else to "feel good" with.

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conium
conium
86. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 5:43 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 5:43 AM EST
Having someone to live for. Having someone to die for. And knowing that the feeling is mutual. That is the pinnacle of a relationship. That "feel good" feeling that you talked about is still there, but it is so much better.
That's the 2/3 that you're missing out on.
That 2/3 doesn't occur just at that one moment (although it might feel the strongest then). It lasts the whole day, the whole month, and with luck, the rest of your life.

I know you don't feel incomplete, and perhaps you will never feel incomplete. Many people live their whole lives concentrating on what "feels good" and they die happy. They have never "driven a Porsche". Instead they always drove the best car in the world, an Impala.

We all view the world through our own eyes, and we understand other people's behavior in relation to our own behavior. I might try, but I can't really tell you much about what you're missing because it would be like describing the flavor of cheesecake to someone who has never tasted it.

"Actually, I drive a Porsche".
That's why I would like to know if you would consider trading it in for an Impala?
(equally old, so that we're not discussing value)

(My favorite Porsche is the Cayenne GTS. Funny but the base Impala costs 2/3 less. But the Cayenne is worth every cent.)

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conium
conium
87. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 5:44 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 5:44 AM EST
I think that John needs a real woman, John is a human, and I believe that a relationship is the making of two halves into a whole, the other half must also be human. And physically Cameron can give that 1/3, but I don't think she can give the other 2/3. (And a human won't Impala John's head on a pike :) Do you find this valuable?    
NordWest
NordWest
88. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 7:07 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 7:07 AM EST
I think, that sex between John and Cam will not work within the context of this show. We are in the terminator universe and this is not about romance, relationship, reproduction and sex. Terminators/infiltratos should not become sex toys. I am sure, that this would immediately destroy the show.

I would like to see a brother sister relation between John and Cam. Not just friendship, because that would be chosen. They should be bond to each other and have no choice. And you should have in mind, that also sisters can behave very weird in respect to a brothers girl friend.

To me the show is suggesting already to much testosterone based John actions. Or why does it make sense for Jesse to force John to have a human girl to get rid of Cameron? I do not like the implications. I want John to be not only interested in Camerons hot body.
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conium
conium
89. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 7:11 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 7:11 AM EST
"I think, that sex between John and Cam will not work within the context of this show. We are in the terminator universe and this is not about romance, relationship, reproduction and sex. Terminators/infiltratos should not become sex toys. I am sure, that this would immediately destroy the show.

I would like to see a brother sister relation between John and Cam. Not just friendship, because that would be chosen. They should be bond to each other and have no choice. And you should have in mind, that also sisters can behave very weird in respect to a brothers girl friend."
I think the relationship you describe between Cameron and John would be most beneficial for John, Cameron and the show in general. I would however not describe this as a "Jameron" relationship. What would you think?
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
90. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 7:33 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 7:33 AM EST
"I think, that sex between John and Cam will not work within the context of this show. We are in the terminator universe and this is not about romance, relationship, reproduction and sex. Terminators/infiltratos should not become sex toys. I am sure, that this would immediately destroy the show.

I would like to see a brother sister relation between John and Cam. Not just friendship, because that would be chosen. They should be bond to each other and have no choice. And you should have in mind, that also sisters can behave very weird in respect to a brothers girl friend.

To me the show is suggesting already to much testosterone based John actions. Or why does it make sense for Jesse to force John to have a human girl to get rid of Cameron? I do not like the implications. I want John to be not only interested in Camerons hot body.
"
That's why I'd rather see Jesse as one of the villians who cannot see what John and Cameron are up to. She can't see the big picture, she only sees Cameron as metal and therefore bad.

Again, prejudices ruling Jesse's good sense.
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vaberella
vaberella
91. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 8:21 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 8:21 AM EST
"That's why I'd rather see Jesse as one of the villians who cannot see what John and Cameron are up to. She can't see the big picture, she only sees Cameron as metal and therefore bad.

Again, prejudices ruling Jesse's good sense."
She's already written in such a way currently. Her big picture was seeing her crew killed by metal however. She does have prejudices, but so far, taking her statements at face value...her prejudices are justified and don't over rule her good sense. She's reacting to the death of friends, family, and the situation humanity is living in. Secondly, she's tired of it (and if she's working with others, they're tired of it) and can you blame them?!

Many of the machines have gone mad and destroyed them. The base program is to kill John Connor (their saviour). Cam has come close to doing that. So far in Jesse's world, if she was talking about Cam for certain. She feels Cam is at fault for the pervasive role of machines.

Jesse is, in a way written as a villian. However, she is a self-righteous and in her way justified villain.
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NordWest
NordWest
92. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 12:03 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 12:03 PM EST
We may understand, why Jesse is going against Cameron, but still we can blame her.

You can also argue, that so far we no very little of future John and Camerons effect on him. So far it is hard to decide, if Cameron might become a bad influence even if she is trying not to. I also still hope for some surprises regarding Camerons real agenda.

And what I am thinking of is definitely no Jameron.
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Pharazon
Pharazon
93. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jan 4 2009, 1:07 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 1:07 PM EST
You guys seriously want her to get pregnant? Sex? She doesn't even know how to truly love. Yet.

I really think there should just be a developing friendship of a sort....the sexual stuff would just mess with the show if the main character, a sixteen year old, started having sex with his protector. That's not what the show should be about. It's about characters.

If you guys want sex, in my opinion you should look somewhere else. All this talk about terminator pregnancy on this show kind of sickens me. You all know it doesn't fit.

I just think Cameron should be able to "develop." I can't understand how getting pregnant is a development when she has so much she could learn. If anything at all, the emotions which Cameron develops regarding John should simply arise from her actually starting to "care" for him, perhaps.
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Ban_D
Ban_D
94. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jul 1 2009, 2:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 1 2009, 2:10 PM EDT
Definitely 'Jameron' fan - although not sure about the two sub-categories...
Not sure how 'advanced' is her model in this meaning though.
(In some fan-fics she gets new body by John Henry, so maybe he altered her in this way too - anything is possible :-))
One thing is sure - theoretically of course - the 'imply sex' scenario would really piss off Sarah
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cp442
cp442
95. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jul 1 2009, 3:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 1 2009, 3:17 PM EDT
"I know this is a sweet gesture.. you're trying to understand but every time someone says why they're part of either group.. a member of the opposing group attacks and nitpicks the crap out of that person's answer and the chaos never ends.

It really never does end."
I've never seen this thread before... but wow was this sadly prophetic, Schmacky. A six-month old post and nothing's changed...
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96. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jul 1 2009, 3:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 1 2009, 3:30 PM EDT
"I want Love of a kyle/sarah porportion before sex is even addressed!!!! "
Sarah and Kyle had sex the same night, what are you talking about?

I could care less if the TOK was made of sticks and stones. Cameron proved herself not to be very trustworthy. She was a Terminator sent back to protect John Connor, yet there she was buying donuts for another man in SFM, subsequently leaving John all buy himself in his crib.
It wasnt bad enough John was taking a pounding from his mom about Riley, but then here comes Cameron to constantly stalk harass and tease John every time, that Blonde came around.
Lets not forget her leaving John behihd, while she willingly did what she did with the chip and John Henry in that whole mess.

Its not about him having sex with a Terminator, as much as I might not like it. Its about how un-trust worthy she was.
IMO of coarse.
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MaximusPrime
97. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jul 1 2009, 4:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 1 2009, 4:46 PM EDT
"Sarah and Kyle had sex the same night, what are you talking about?

I could care less if the TOK was made of sticks and stones. Cameron proved herself not to be very trustworthy. She was a Terminator sent back to protect John Connor, yet there she was buying donuts for another man in SFM, subsequently leaving John all buy himself in his crib.
It wasnt bad enough John was taking a pounding from his mom about Riley, but then here comes Cameron to constantly stalk harass and tease John every time, that Blonde came around.
Lets not forget her leaving John behihd, while she willingly did what she did with the chip and John Henry in that whole mess.

Its not about him having sex with a Terminator, as much as I might not like it. Its about how un-trust worthy she was.
IMO of coarse."
It amuses me how the people that come down on Cameron for being untrustworthy always seem to cherry pick the facts that suite them. The reason Cameron was buying donuts was to sweet talk her way into the library to do research on possible Skynet activity. She subsquently finds and stops a Skynet plot to assasinate the governor. This ultimately helps John Connor by stopping an activity that would ultimately make Skynet stronger in the future. Lets not also forget that it was John who distanced himself from Cameron to go run around with Riley. He had already left the house when Cameron went to the library and she got back before he came back. As for giving the chip to John Henry, we will never know, but I am sure it was something that would ultimately help John in the end. And that is the point with nearly all the instances where Cameron was deemed untrustworthy, in all instances it always turned out to be something that helped John in the end (i.e. Vick's chip).
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98. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jul 1 2009, 5:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 1 2009, 5:07 PM EDT
"It amuses me how the people that come down on Cameron for being untrustworthy always seem to cherry pick the facts that suite them. The reason Cameron was buying donuts was to sweet talk her way into the library to do research on possible Skynet activity. She subsquently finds and stops a Skynet plot to assasinate the governor. This ultimately helps John Connor by stopping an activity that would ultimately make Skynet stronger in the future. Lets not also forget that it was John who distanced himself from Cameron to go run around with Riley. He had already left the house when Cameron went to the library and she got back before he came back. As for giving the chip to John Henry, we will never know, but I am sure it was something that would ultimately help John in the end. And that is the point with nearly all the instances where Cameron was deemed untrustworthy, in all instances it always turned out to be something that helped John in the end (i.e. Vick's chip). "
I love picking cherries, picking the wrong ones can make people sick.
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ScotWithOne_t
ScotWithOne_t
99. RE: Does a "Jameron" relationship mean John is Chaste or Not?
Jul 2 2009, 12:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 2 2009, 12:28 AM EDT
wow... just went back and reread some of this thread. I can't believe the level of loony-toons that frequented this site in it's hayday! holy SHIT!!

Cameron, a Terminator, a machine built for the sole purpose of murdering him and anything that gets in its way, should have his child. Wow. Preggoshippers really know how to hit the crack pipe!

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