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TerminTatorTot
TerminTatorTot
65. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:02 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:02 PM EST
"They way I see it, is if they didn't want a Jameron romance, then they wouldn't have picked such a beautiful Cameron.

I'm a mild shipper. I'd like to see it happen, but if it doesn't big deal. "
I'd like to just see it low-key, with teaser signs of affection once in a while. Keeps the tension and intrigue there. I'll bet this is where the writers are going to go.
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MetalHunter
67. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:09 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:09 PM EST
I think that the tension in T:SCC is to stop Skynet ...

Phases with the tension between John and Cameron is absurd! This show is not soap-opera!

But I am convinced that everyone would be happy to see John and Cameron togheter to hunt and frolic with Terminators ... ;)
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Dr._Allison_Cameron
Dr._Allison_Cameron
68. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:10 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:10 PM EST
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Pharazon
Pharazon
70. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:14 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:14 PM EST
"I just can't see the TSCC writers really going hard-over Jameron shipee-ness. They would rather leave the stovetop burner on simmer rather than really get it boiling big-time. Kind of like they did for many years on the X-files between Scully & Mulder, throwing us a bone every now and then, some signs of affection, but never passionate stuff that might make us fans want to smoke a cigarette afterwards. I guess its better to keep that mystery and sexual tension between John and Cameron rather than get closure on it. Because if you do, then where do they go from there? Into boredom, according to show business models."
Yeah, I agree that it shouldn't be the "boiling big-time" thing. I still think it should be there, but make it reasonable, and make it a real growing relationship. They can be interested in each other and still keep the tension going if it's played right.

As for the idea of them kissing, I really think it could happen. But a LOT of development is needed, especially on Cameron's part. Until Cameron has developed quite a bit, a kiss might even seem creepy. But give it time, folks, and everything could turn out great. Season 3...
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TerminTatorTot
TerminTatorTot
71. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:14 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:14 PM EST
"I think that the tension in T:SCC is to stop Skynet ...

Phases with the tension between John and Cameron is absurd! This show is not soap-opera!

But I am convinced that everyone would be happy to see John and Cameron togheter to hunt and frolic with Terminators ... ;)"
This show is not a soap opera? It does have relationships in it, like soap operas. I agreee those relationships shouldn't take over the storylines completely, but we've already seen Derek getting some nooky from Jessie. Actually, for a desperate ratings stunt, the writers might just get as explicit as they can with a Jameron sex scene, complete with colorful scenes and cool music during the lovemaking. If the ratings aren't good enough, I can see them going for it. I don't think they will, but I admit it is possible, and might get more people into the show, because sex sells.
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LuckiiBeckii
LuckiiBeckii
72. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:17 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:17 PM EST
"D'you think Cam would feel somthing special with her first kiss? how'd she show it?"
probably panic and say "Don't tell Sarah."

in reference to Sarah's S1 order not to kiss anybody. XD

and about Jameron being slow and gratifying, I used to want that too, but I'm being realistic when i say they really don't have the time to do that. There's a reason that Jameron's been more lurchy then a boat in a thunderstorm. low-key to OMG REVELATION to absolutely nothing to tiny whisps of something to nothing. I mean, it'd make anybody seasick.

So no, I don't think the writers are going to stick with the tried and true "tease em till the end" method. They're so unpredictable, and they know they can get away with anything and totally twist it around and reverse the after-effects of it. (Duh, if S2 has been any example so far) Last year i wouldn't like this, but now I'm sort of getting used to it. Being unpredictable to an extent is way better then being predictable.
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MetalHunter
74. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:18 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:18 PM EST
"I think she would feel something. Not sure what, but definitely something. "
You know how a frigid woman behaves?

She has no physical pleasure... Everything is EMOTIONAL. The rest is SIMULATION, the desire "to be near him".

I think it will be where our metal beauty... Or us can declare 8% of human women as METAL!
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IvyMike
IvyMike
75. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:21 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:21 PM EST
"I just can't see the TSCC writers really going hard-over Jameron shipee-ness. They would rather leave the stovetop burner on simmer rather than really get it boiling big-time. Kind of like they did for many years on the X-files between Scully & Mulder, throwing us a bone every now and then, some signs of affection, but never passionate stuff that might make us fans want to smoke a cigarette afterwards. I guess its better to keep that mystery and sexual tension between John and Cameron rather than get closure on it. Because if you do, then where do they go from there? Into boredom, according to show business models."
I have no writing/fanfic ability whatsoever, so I dunno, maybe they could have a fake bf/gf relationship instead of the fake sibling relationship they have now? Everything would be "pretend", but the sparks would still fly!

But whatever, i still think that it's a relationship that has amazing potential to be explored, even without going full-on romance getting it awnnn. What would it be like to be in love with a machine? What would it like for John to be in love with the very thing he despises?
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Pharazon
Pharazon
76. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:25 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:25 PM EST
"I have no writing/fanfic ability whatsoever, so I dunno, maybe they could have a fake bf/gf relationship instead of the fake sibling relationship they have now? Everything would be "pretend", but the sparks would still fly!

But whatever, i still think that it's a relationship that has amazing potential to be explored, even without going full-on romance getting it awnnn. What would it be like to be in love with a machine? What would it like for John to be in love with the very thing he despises? "
exactly! Potential to be explored. And the fact is, the writers are smart enough to explore this potential without lessening interest in the show. But like I've said before, they really have to approach it carefully. It's hard to know what results might be if they skip boiling the water and just present boiled water. >.<
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Turncoat
Turncoat
77. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:32 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:32 PM EST
here is my argument against people saying that jameron would ruin the show when they finally get together.

Buffy/Angel they were together for two seasons and people bought into it and while they were together it was one of the most watched shows on T.V.

as long as they keep on the same formula that comes with the forbiden love angle. they Might get more viewers to watch the show.
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IvyMike
IvyMike
78. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:33 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:33 PM EST
"This show is not a soap opera? It does have relationships in it, like soap operas. I agreee those relationships shouldn't take over the storylines completely, but we've already seen Derek getting some nooky from Jessie. Actually, for a desperate ratings stunt, the writers might just get as explicit as they can with a Jameron sex scene, complete with colorful scenes and cool music during the lovemaking. If the ratings aren't good enough, I can see them going for it. I don't think they will, but I admit it is possible, and might get more people into the show, because sex sells."
The feeling I get though, although I can't substantiate it, is that a majority of the general viewing audience just think it would be creepy, and I suspect that the network suits have found this and told Josh F to tone it down.

It seems that a majority of the active posters on this forum support some kind of close relationship between John and Cam, whether it be good buddies to friends with benefits to all-out have babies live happily ever after, but it's certainly not everyone, and this wiki is by no means representative of general viewership.
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Pharazon
Pharazon
79. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:38 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:38 PM EST
"The feeling I get though, although I can't substantiate it, is that a majority of the general viewing audience just think it would be creepy, and I suspect that the network suits have found this and told Josh F to tone it down.

It seems that a majority of the active posters on this forum support some kind of close relationship between John and Cam, whether it be good buddies to friends with benefits to all-out have babies live happily ever after, but it's certainly not everyone, and this wiki is by no means representative of general viewership."
Like I said, if after a few episodes they suddenly started making out, it probably would be creepy.

That's why I think it really has to be a slowly growing relationship. It especially has to center on Cameron's development as a person. Until she is a fair way into that, their relationship should be growing but never fully out there. You know, boil the water slowly. Recently it feels like they stuck it in a freezer...
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LuckiiBeckii
LuckiiBeckii
80. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:43 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:43 PM EST
I frankly don't want cameron totally humanized. Yes, humanize her to a point, but i think the writers should keep up this "coming to terms with being a cyborg" storyline they have going for her. Because if John's going to fall in love with her, he needs to fall in love with Cameron, not with the "human girl" she's become. He should love her for being exactly who and what she is. She's developing her own little quirky personality now that's clearly different from S1, and i'm hoping they keep up with that, and have John see that she's truly unique in her own way and have him love her for it. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
Pharazon
Pharazon
81. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:46 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:46 PM EST
"I frankly don't want cameron totally humanized. Yes, humanize her to a point, but i think the writers should keep up this "coming to terms with being a cyborg" storyline they have going for her. Because if John's going to fall in love with her, he needs to fall in love with Cameron, not with the "human girl" she's become. He should love her for being exactly who and what she is. She's developing her own little quirky personality now that's clearly different from S1, and i'm hoping they keep up with that, and have John see that she's truly unique in her own way and have him love her for it."
I think the point isn't for her to stop being a cyborg--that's what she is, and always will be. The main concern is that she should be human enough that a relationship doesn't seem creepy. It should have it's awkward points without feeling too strange. Something a little more natural, to a degree.
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IvyMike
IvyMike
82. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:46 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:46 PM EST
"Like I said, if after a few episodes they suddenly started making out, it probably would be creepy.

That's why I think it really has to be a slowly growing relationship. It especially has to center on Cameron's development as a person. Until she is a fair way into that, their relationship should be growing but never fully out there. You know, boil the water slowly. Recently it feels like they stuck it in a freezer..."
You and me both, but I think many people are just creeped out entirely by the whole idea and would be even if Cam became simply an electronic girl, which the producers have said they're not going to do - she's always going to be a a machine, never a human. I'm more than happy with that, otherwise it would just be like any other teen drama, and miss the point entirely.

I've seen rabid foaming at the mouth objections on the Terminator (movie) wiki to Cam even mimicking emotions, those guys see Terminators as absolutely nothing more than killing machines.
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Pharazon
Pharazon
83. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:48 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:48 PM EST
"You and me both, but I think many people are just creeped out entirely by the whole idea and would be even if Cam became simply an electronic girl, which the producers have said they're not going to do - she's always going to be a a machine, never a human. I'm more than happy with that, otherwise it would just be like any other teen drama, and miss the point entirely.

I've seen rabid foaming at the mouth objections on the Terminator (movie) wiki to Cam even mimicking emotions, those guys see Terminators as absolutely nothing more than killing machines. "
They are spies who Derek implanted in the wiki.
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IvyMike
IvyMike
84. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:52 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:52 PM EST
"They are spies who Derek implanted in the wiki."
Or Jesse?
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Pharazon
Pharazon
85. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:53 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:53 PM EST
"Or Jesse?"
It was her idea.
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IvyMike
IvyMike
86. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:53 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:53 PM EST
"I think the point isn't for her to stop being a cyborg--that's what she is, and always will be. The main concern is that she should be human enough that a relationship doesn't seem creepy. It should have it's awkward points without feeling too strange. Something a little more natural, to a degree."
Absolutely, and it's those awkward points that have such potential. John would never quite know what's going on.
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Pharazon
Pharazon
87. RE: THE OFFICIAL JAMERON THREAD
Jan 7 2009, 10:55 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2009, 10:55 PM EST
"Absolutely, and it's those awkward points that have such potential. John would never quite know what's going on."
Personally I think it should develop along those lines.

And that scene where John throws out an "I love you, Cam!" in a sort of heat-of-the-moment thing should come later...probably even 3rd season. The only reason I want to see that is so that when Cameron asks him about it, she can mimic his tone/expression perfectly. Gotta love Summer's acting.
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