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neilrieck |
Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 10 2009, 1:15 PM EST
OK so in season-1 we watched an episode where a traffic control system was about to become self-aware. So check this out:"Folding@home" achieved peta-FLOP strength in September of 2007 and has grown larger since then. As it grew, the designers came to the conclusion that a peta-FLOP strength super computer will probably require (at the very least) a peta-byte disk storage system. So the folding@home designers have proposed "Storage@home" to solve this problem. They also have suggested that they would like to modify their client software so that clients will be able to carry on data transfers (conversations?) without needing to go back to Stanford. Since all the computations and storage will be "in the cloud", this loosely coupled system would only need to become more tightly coupled in order to become self aware. Now I'm not saying this system would eventually wage war on mankind but maybe we could end up with a world wide available AI as described in Arthur C. Clarke's "Time's Eye (A Time Odyssey)" series. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding@home http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage@home http://www.parc.com/cms/get_article.php?id=799 (folding lecture from yesterday) Neil Rieck Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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HealingMindN |
1. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 10 2009, 4:33 PM EST
Who's to say Microshaft doesn't already have this system in place with Windoze? A perfect time for the "client" to deliver those computations to the mains server is during those "upgrades." I told you people already: They walk among us!
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Sara1986 |
2. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 10 2009, 4:41 PM EST
This technology isn't all that new in concept. How do you think the majority of the internet is monitored for illegal activities for example? Massive bot trafficing.
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warriormind |
3. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 10 2009, 5:10 PM EST
Its definitely a step in that direction, but like you said the network would need to be more tightly coupled. They would also need a ton more processing power than just a petaflop. Oh yeah the hard part, software that takes advantage of the hardware and is somehow able to arrive at self awareness (I doubt folding proteins is going to lead to it :P). Do you find this valuable? |
mpmartin7 |
4. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 10 2009, 6:58 PM EST
"Who's to say Microshaft doesn't already have this system in place with Windoze? A perfect time for the "client" to deliver those computations to the mains server is during those "upgrades." I told you people already: They walk among us! "Computer people have independent software that can detect what network traffic is coming and going. It's a fundamental precept of firewall security. People wouldn't stand for their computer being used for something they didn't intend for it to be used for. And MS has laid out just what information gets sent back to their servers, for those who know how to read, and verify, those disclosures. Do you find this valuable? |
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robhot |
5. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 10 2009, 9:58 PM EST
the packet-switching system that the telephone companies use is a huge system. as far as i know it has never become self aware.
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neilrieck |
6. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 10 2009, 10:31 PM EST
"the packet-switching system that the telephone companies use is a huge system. as far as i know it has never become self aware."I work for the phone company and can tell you that packet switches are fire-and-forget technology. Now if you were to rewrite the software so each CPU acted like neuron, then allow all the cpu/neurons to communicate with each other rather than a master cpu, you would be one step closer to "the convergence". 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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mpmartin7 |
7. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 10 2009, 10:39 PM EST
"I work for the phone company and can tell you that packet switches are fire-and-forget technology. Now if you were to rewrite the software so each CPU acted like neuron, then allow all the cpu/neurons to communicate with each other rather than a master cpu, you would be one step closer to "the convergence". "So if someone wrote a virus that did this, and turned it loose on the internet, might the virus network become self-aware before the virus blockers could catch up? Do you find this valuable? |
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warriormind |
8. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 11 2009, 1:26 AM EST
The latency rate on the network is still to high and there are not nearly enough computers hooked up at the moment to allow for self awareness. But if they waited to release the virus for a century or so then it might become self aware.
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neilrieck |
9. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 11 2009, 7:30 AM EST
"The latency rate on the network is still to high and there are not nearly enough computers hooked up at the moment to allow for self awareness. But if they waited to release the virus for a century or so then it might become self aware."You are correct but consider this: 1) the neurons in our brains are really bad CPUs. 2) the interconnecting dendrites (inputs) and axons (output) are really bad wires (neural-chemical signals travel closer to 10 meters per second rather than the speed of light which is found in wires and fiber optics). 3) Our brains do what they do by: a) having a really large number of neurons b) having an even larger number of neuronal connections (eg. ~ 1000 inputs per neuron). c) having the neurons are really close together. So consider this, if you replace neurons with mini-CPUs, and neuronal connections by wires or fiber optics, then you would not need as many CPU-neurons and possibly fewer connections per CPU-neuron. Given the correct client software, and the ability for the clients to communicate directly with each other via the internet, the internet itself could become self-aware some day. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Ta73Nb41 |
10. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 11 2009, 7:51 AM EST
while we're all so very interested in the internet one day becomming the Skynet, let's pause for a moment and think about what will power such a system, and terminators for that matter? I know, I know, we've all seen the mini-nuke battery in T3, but really, your average AA batteries don't come close. This seemingly boring aspect will actually be critical to any mobile systems.To date, the best movie that address this problem is the Matrix. Maybe the whole reason Skynet try to kill off people is that we are such big energy consumers? So essentially, IT is only trying to preserve itself? Sorry a bit OT here. Do you find this valuable? |
Bartek2 |
11. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 11 2009, 7:57 AM EST
Our brains has about 100 billions of neurons. Our computers have to be about million times more efficient than today to simulate human brain. Interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer Do you find this valuable? |
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neilrieck |
12. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 16 2009, 7:39 AM EST
The Cloud Is The Computer (so the internet could become self-aware?)http://spectrum.ieee.org/aug08/6490 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
FrenchFanofTSCC |
13. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 16 2009, 8:41 AM EST
believe in your theory man ! now they doing implants of GPS on humans ! can be possible !!!!
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Roger1000 |
14. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Jan 16 2009, 10:06 AM EST
"The Cloud Is The Computer (so the internet could become self-aware?)The internet for all intensive purposes is a backbone. It is wires and switches, routers hubs and firewalls. Overtime as traffic has increased its traffic software has increased. All this software is actually burdensome overhead to the computational environment that might give rise to self-awareness. Our networked minds, our brains and the connected nervous system have Zero software and we are self aware. Our brains are both capable of computing and memory storage. Our memories are stored not on a disk, not on a card, but in largely fatty acid based medium that is described as three dimensional in nature. The internet Cloud description is a useful term that describes the internet environment given its size and our current abilities to describe it. The internet or even a computer could be identified by us as self ware if we perceive it to behave as a sentient being but ultimately it might just "appear" to be sentient. It could say to us I think therefore I am. It might be able to converse with us. It might catch us when we fall. It might sacrifice itself to save our lives. These are all possible and valuable behaviors but they would all be a result of code. Zeros and Ones. Do you find this valuable? |
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neilrieck |
15. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Feb 3 2009, 7:48 AM EST
"Logic circuits that program themselves: memristors in action"http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/01/logic-circuits-that-program-themselves-memristors-in-action.ars Neil Rieck Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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FrenchFanofTSCC |
16. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Feb 3 2009, 10:10 AM EST
it can be possible ,but nothing can be more powerfull than a human brain !its millions things running in human brain at time ! there comes John Henri to complement the Computer ! nice idea from the SCC Writers ! we see
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TerminTatorTot |
17. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Feb 3 2009, 11:47 AM EST
"Who's to say Microshaft doesn't already have this system in place with Windoze? A perfect time for the "client" to deliver those computations to the mains server is during those "upgrades." I told you people already: They walk among us! "Anybody see the movie "Antitrust", starring whats-his-name from the lead role in The Shawshank Redemption, playing Bill Gates? Great anti-Microsoft (and, dare we say, anti-Skynet?) movie. Do you find this valuable? |
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neilrieck |
18. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Feb 4 2009, 8:52 AM EST
From page 98 of "Playing with Planets" (2009) by Gerrard 't HooftJust before he died in 1957, mathematician John von Neumann wrote a discourse in which he provided what he claimed to be the mathematical proof the self-reproducing robots can exist. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TerminTatorTot |
19. RE: Possible Skynet Technology?
Feb 4 2009, 2:05 PM EST
"From page 98 of "Playing with Planets" (2009) by Gerrard 't HooftYou know, I don't even see it as that difficult to envision. After all, take a look at a modern car factory, with all the robots creating vehicle frames with automatic spot welding and laser welding machines. Given the engineering of automation robots itself can be broken down into steps and paradigms, we have arrived at the automation of production. Now, add to that the proven notion that artificial neural networks (with digital electronics, too) can learn and adapt, similar to humans, and the whole sci-fi notion of Terminators doesn't seem weird at all! As in bird flight, everybody knew it was possible for man to fly around the skies, because birds did it all the time right in front of us. Terminators are really us, which we see every time we look in a mirror, knowing its all possible using fantastic engineering. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
