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Cybervamp	Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 8:30 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 8:30 AM EST I agree with loki424. The head would not have survived going through time, but also it would not have survived without a power source. Sticking the terminator head on a human body will not make it work and control the human body. This was a very disappointing moment for me. I love the show but this plot point was naff. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
Dr._Allison_Cameron	1. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 8:52 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 8:52 AM EST I had read that the head was supposed to be still covered in flesh but on fire as it came through the time bubble. However, they could not show this because a flying burning flesh head would have been too gross for network TV, so they just had the metal head flying through the vault. Personally, I wonder about the fact that part of Cromartie's face flesh had been worn off in the fight with Cam, and the metal was showing when he entered the bank. Wouldn't that have been a problem with the time machine, too? I guess it was an imperfect plot device. I never saw the head "control the human body." I remember a highway worker finding the head and taking it home. The head reactivated in his kitchen and called its body out of the junk pile remotely. I had to assume the head had its own power source and of course remote control capability to the body. Then the body took some clothes from a homeless guy and came to the body. After killing the highway worker, it must have reassembled itself. I agree with you that it was strange that the head and the body would have different power sources. The fact that the head could communicate with the body remotely suggests that it would need to have a separate power source, that it was designed to be removable. Maybe this model was made to have a detachable head for different missions, like be used to pilot an HK or something. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Dr._Allison_Cameron	2. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 8:59 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 8:59 AM EST "Then the body took some clothes from a homeless guy and came to the body." I typed a mistake. I meant, "Then the body took some clothes from a homeless guy and came to the HEAD." Sorry. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kelvin899	3. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 9:27 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 9:27 AM EST Excuse me. Did I see a human head on the neck of the dissembled Cromartie? Was it my imagination or it was something. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Dr._Allison_Cameron	4. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 9:47 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 9:47 AM EST "Excuse me. Did I see a human head on the neck of the dissembled Cromartie? Was it my imagination or it was something." Do you mean the head inside that facemask and goggles? I thought that was the head of the homeless guy. Cromartie's headless body took it to complete its costume. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
horhai	5. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 9:59 AM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 9:59 AM EST man that is sick Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mpmartin7	6. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 11:38 AM EST "man that is sick" Yes that is sick. The tipoff was the gray foggy eyes. This detachable head model invokes weird images in my twisted terminator world of the T walking behind a wall or building, detaching his head, and tossing it up in the air to get a better view. At the bowling alley, he could bowl his head down the lane to see if anyone was hiding in the ball retrieval machinery. LOL, I'm so sick! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Madmachine	7. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 1:48 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 1:48 PM EST "I agree with loki424. The head would not have survived going through time, but also it would not have survived without a power source. Sticking the terminator head on a human body will not make it work and control the human body. This was a very disappointing moment for me. I love the show but this plot point was naff." Chromartie's head could have survived the jump through time. When his head flew into the sphere, Sarah, John, and Cameron were already in the field. Perhaps the "energy field" created by their bodies was enough to allow the head to go through. It was still partly covered in flesh. Was this why the bank exploded? Did Chromartie's head cause the time field to become unstable and explode? Remember, his head shot out from the energy bubble. The others remained in the field untill it disapated. This might be why non-organic things can't go back. Anything dead causes the time field to become too unstable. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Brovane	8. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 3:55 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 3:55 PM EST "Do you mean the head inside that facemask and goggles? I thought that was the head of the homeless guy. Cromartie's headless body took it to complete its costume." Actually I believe that Cromarties body killed the Junk Yard worker. Ripped the head off and stuck it on the Terminator body along with the workers clothes. The body then went to retrieve the head. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CoolZoneAlex	9. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:00 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:00 PM EST "Actually I believe that Cromarties body killed the Junk Yard worker. Ripped the head off and stuck it on the Terminator body along with the workers clothes. The body then went to retrieve the head. " I have a question. How did the body see the Junk Yard worker if the head was in another place? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VersusTerminus	10. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:12 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:12 PM EST Question: why would Cromartie's flying head still having skin on it be deemed "too graphic" when they showed a guy's decapitated head on the rest of Chromartie's endoskeleton in the same episode? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Gusar	11. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:30 PM EST "Question: why would Cromartie's flying head still having skin on it be deemed "too graphic" when they showed a guy's decapitated head on the rest of Chromartie's endoskeleton in the same episode?" Good question. But then again, since when did the FCC regulations and/or their enforcement make sense? On the left side of the page, click on "Producer's blog", where you'll see this written by Josh himself: "Please be assured that I am VERY familiar with the rules of time travel as explained by Kyle Reese in the first movie. When Cromartie’s head goes through the time bubble, THERE IS FLESH ON IT. If you can’t see it, that’s because a) it’s burning off very quickly and b) certain people don’t like it when we show burning flesh, cyborg or not. (Historical note: The first person to ask me this head/bubble question was Jared in Props--a year ago while we were shooting the pilot.)" Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Madmachine	12. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:30 PM EST "Question: why would Cromartie's flying head still having skin on it be deemed "too graphic" when they showed a guy's decapitated head on the rest of Chromartie's endoskeleton in the same episode?" Good question. I think that in the process of coming through, the skin on Chromartie's head was vaporized. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Madmachine	13. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:34 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:34 PM EST "I have a question. How did the body see the Junk Yard worker if the head was in another place?" The body wouldn't have to "see" the worker to know that he was there. It might sence his movement, or detect his presence with a type of radar. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DeadpooI	14. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:36 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:36 PM EST "Good question. But then again, since when did the FCC regulations and/or their enforcement make sense?" Off topic: The funniest censorship by FOX I think I have ever heard was for the 1990s Spider-Man series (the decent one.) * No mentioning of "death, die or kill" * No realistic guns or bullets - so every cop in the show had a terminator style laser rifle.... * Spider-Man was not allowed to hit anybody with his fist. * No crashing glass sound effects. * No children in peril. * No vampires, unless they had "suckers" on their hands instead of fangs and "drank" "plasma" instead of blood. * "Spider-Man was not allowed to harm any pigeons when landing on rooftops." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Dr._Allison_Cameron	15. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:39 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:39 PM EST "I have a question. How did the body see the Junk Yard worker if the head was in another place?" I seem to recall this having come up before some time ago. I think it was concluded that the body had sensors built in. Someone said it wouldn't be too hard to have a camera and a mic, and the whole thing would be linked wirelessly to the head anyway. Again, this would imply that Cromartie was designed to operate with the head detached at times, which we have already deduced. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VersusTerminus	16. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:42 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:42 PM EST "Off topic: The funniest censorship by FOX I think I have ever heard was for the 1990s Spider-Man series (the decent one.) * No mentioning of "death, die or kill" * No realistic guns or bullets - so every cop in the show had a terminator style laser rifle.... * Spider-Man was not allowed to hit anybody with his fist. * No crashing glass sound effects. * No children in peril. * No vampires, unless they had "suckers" on their hands instead of fangs and "drank" "plasma" instead of blood. * "Spider-Man was not allowed to harm any pigeons when landing on rooftops." " LOL. I'm guessing the hilarity of the censoring wasn't the only reason it was decent? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VersusTerminus	17. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:45 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:45 PM EST "Good question. But then again, since when did the FCC regulations and/or their enforcement make sense?" Yeah, fair point. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Dr._Allison_Cameron	18. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:47 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:47 PM EST "Question: why would Cromartie's flying head still having skin on it be deemed "too graphic" when they showed a guy's decapitated head on the rest of Chromartie's endoskeleton in the same episode?" Good point. I can only conclude that the decapitated head was shown always on top of a body. (In truth of course, there is a live actor in this costume, and his head is attached.) And it was never on fire. Thus it was qualitatively different from a visibly detached burning head. I can imagine a little kid seeing the show and not being that scared by the decapitated head firmly installed on Cromartie's body, but perhaps being disturbed by a detached burning head flying through the air? Gusar has kindly reproduced in his post Josh's quote from the Producer's Blog. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VersusTerminus	19. RE: Season 1 Plot hole: Chromarti's flying head. Feb 2 2009, 5:48 PM EST \| Post edited: Feb 2 2009, 5:48 PM EST "Good question. I think that in the process of coming through, the skin on Chromartie's head was vaporized." Hmmm, yeah, I can see that working. It allows me to suspend disbelief well enough. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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