"Why would that cyborg want to off me after I rocked her world nine times over?"

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I can't see any (smart) scenario that would have JC involved in a sexual relationship with Cameron. If she did it'd be to manipulate JC for some reason present or future. If he did it be pretty pathetic: there are over 6 billion humans on the planet right now...certainly he can get laid with those numbers!"

"no we interpret those things as close to human-like (not necessarily actually like humans, but her own version of it) because thats what the movies presented us with before the series, then the actor who plays her said it, then the creator said it and finally our own interpretation of each individual scene.

and my major complaint, the one that got me called a shipper repeatedly until i just gave in with the definition, is that i wanted john and cameron to be there for each other as they are all that they have. john cant form normal relationships with anyone because of who he is, and cameron has the same problem, as well as she is disliked by sarah and derek. so john is the only one who can be there for her. plus, the interactions between them with john trying to help her understand where she makes mistakes are endearing, and i enjoyed them. and i miss them this year with him being a dick for no reason.

as for a sexual relationship, its broadcast tv. they will never show anything anyways, so who cares. the odd thing is u bring up the shows we cite as evidence for how it can be pulled off, but claim this show is different somehow."

"What Pharazon said.

Shippers hardly ever talk about sex. Say the following line over and over until you puke: "It's not about the sex, It's not about the sex, It's not about the sex".

Shipper: A person or group of people interested in two characters possible romantic relationship. In Jamerons case, a Romeo and Juliet type. Forbidden love (the best kind).
Shippers don't want a "humanized" Cameron. They want James Cameron's Original idea. A terminator that understands what it means to *be* human. Tin man gets a heart, but he's still a tin man. John should love Cameron for who she is, and vise versa. Romeo & Juliet. On a deeper level Cameron (The Terminators) learns the value of life and humanity, and John (Humans) learn to understand their own creation, and their responsibility to it.

People who don't get it, or are limited in their creative & cognitive abilities, will scream "TOASTER!!!, SICK!!!"

Calling Cameron or Skynet a toaster is like saying a paper airplane is the space shuttle.

Think outside of the box.
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"That's what Vick DID. Pay attention..."

"Easier for me to start with what I don't want:

I don't want Cameron to become an electronic human.

I don't want Cameron to forget that she is a Terminator.

I don't want the mystery of Cameron to be explained away in a scientifically or technologically plausible, but mundane fashion.

I don't want John and Cam to get it on just because Summer is cute, I find that attitude patronising and somewhat insulting to me personally and to my regard of Summer as an actor.

I don't want Cameron to be a macguffin, a plot device that motivates the other characters without having any intrinsic value herself as a character. I think that Cameron, Summer and we the viewers deserve more than that.

What I do want:

I want Cameron to be a character in her own right, with a unique perspective on the world that is neither human nor machine (if indeed, machines can have an perspective), and her own motivations - even if I don't necessarily want to know those motivations (part of the mystery).

I want John to have an emotional relationship with Cameron.
I think Terminator is about exploring the relationship between humanity and the technology we develop, and I want to see what that relationship might be like at the most personal level: is it possible to be in love with a machine?

That doesn't mean that all I want to see is robo-sex, by "personal" I mean our deepest emotions and feelings. If however John and Cam were to develop a deep emotional relationship that eventually involved sex, I would have no particular objection.

Is that all to much to ask?"

"Thanks for the explain. I'm trying to reply in these comments what my thoughts are.

Hopefully that will make more sense as we go along in this process. I'm just digging the community...we're talking about LIFE here, and nothing in life comes from merley one viewpoint. Shippers shouldn't be alienated from others, I feel, and be force to feel they have to defend themselves. IMHO.

I'm not a shipper, but I have found much enjoyment in Shipper ideas and contributions. Like yours!

Thanks for adding your comment, and I hope you can appreciate the spirit of this thread, and its intention to bring people together, not push them further apart.

We all have a COMMON enemy in this mythology: SKYNET.

I really shouldn't care what people(?) do in their own bunks: knowing I am not in there with them. As long as they can shoot straight when the time comes, cool!

BTW, we have yet to address the issue of resistance fighters being high/drunk on the job. And you'd think having all of humanity nearly wiped out would be a pretty good reason to go a bender...

Thoughts?"

"You can claim it's not about the sex, but the core of all human romance is based on sexual attraction, no matter what people want to convince themselves of otherwise. You look at a girl and think she's cute? You're not thinking that with your head, ifyaknowwhatImsayin.

Maybe some shippers want John and Cameron to just be real good friends, and that's fine with me. But I get a kick out of the ones that want them to hug, kiss, hold hands, and act like a couple of love-struck teenagers, yet when te topic of sex comes up, it's; "oh no... I don't want that!!" LOL."

"Excellent.

Also Chris, Cameron can never be a "masterbation machine".... Cameron can say "No". She is an A.I. An Artificial **Intelligence**.

Like I said. Calling Cameron a toaster is like saying a paper airplane is the space shuttle.
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