"Hawk and others, this is a thread masquerading as wanting to "understand"..
Nothing of the sort.
Its on a false premise. It is in fact, damning with faint praise.

I do not believe thee, Dr. Fell.

"

"Or he figured out that the Resistance was turning on him because of Cameron, so he fulfilled their wish by getting rid of her. However, in defiance of them; he sent her to his younger self so that he could learn more from her in the past.

Clever Johnny."

"Or he figured out that the Resistance was turning on him because of Cameron, so he fulfilled their wish by getting rid of her. However, in defiance of them; he sent her to his younger self so that he could learn more from her in the past.

Clever Johnny."

"No. They are married still after 50 years because of the sense of companionship they bring each other even after their sex drive has long since died off.... of course there ARE some horny elderly couple out there... I plan on being hte dirtiest 80 year old man ever in 52 years. LOL.

But that doesn't change the fact that the young version of our 50 year-married couple fell in love due to a physical AND emotional attraction.

If all you have is an emotional attachment so someone from the beginning, it is a platonic friendship, not a romance.

So therefore, the shippers who claim to want nothing to do with Jameronsex are only fooling themselves. IMO, if you want John and Cameron to have a close, sibling-like love, that does not qualify you as a "shipper".

And why couldn't it be shown on screen? Obviously they can't show a close up money shot of the ole' in-out in-out, but they can show as much as they showed with Derek and Jesse. "

"I've had shippers tell me this point blank - several times in other threads on this forum - all the while opologizing for the "fringe" that they say is large, but not every shipper's view.

To me, that's like not having slaves, but allowing those that do to do so..."

"That's why I think Cameron *wasn't* sent back by JC. Why would he send back Cameron who:

a) Is not designed for combat. In a straight up fight Uncle Bob would own her.

b) looks like a cute girl, which is basically *wanting* to cause problems for his past self.

c) doesn't know where to find him. 73 days? John didn't move around that much.

d) doesn't have a dossier on any key people involved with Skynet.

My guess is JC was assassinated and Cameron was blamed for it. She bubbled back in time as a last desperate measure to set things right."

"as ive stated before, i think the traitors from the future are going to cause the very thing they hoped to create (self fulfilling prophecy). by messing with john in the past (whether you consider it 'good' messing with him or 'bad') he will stop trusting people. this will cause him to either 1. trust nobody or 2. trust cam solely even tho she tried to kill him, (which wasnt her fault, but johns)

the other thing you should keep in mind is by sending all these people back from the future to influence john in the past, they are depleting their ranks. if skynet wins in the future because tide is turned against the humans because they are squandering their efforts in changing the past, they will get royally owned when skynet storms the castle

weve gotten a lot of signals from the show that cam and john together is bad. i dont think it has to be bad. john could learn a lot from cam about how to beat machines (and not necessarily by smashing the metal MFers into the ground). i made an analogy between chess and go. a computer can beat a human at chess, but not go. john needs to change the game hes playing if he hopes to win"

"LOL, I kinda got that too.


SPACE SHUTTLE:

Chris keeps talking about following "programming" as if she has no choice in the matter. Cameron is to the Space Shuttle (the most complex space craft in history) as a toaster (or whatever simplistic machine you chose, like a car) is to a paper airplane. I think Chris is thinking Cameron is a kind of paper airplane... selling her short in that regard. We already know that she has a neural net for a "brain"... same as us. She has unlimited abilities, and is not limited by "Programming".

"Do you believe in the resurrection, the story of Jesus Christ?".... "I'm not programmed for faith".... LOL! Why that is funny is because she was *contemplating* her own "resurrection", and that is why she asked the question. MY theory is that she is a totally independent sentient 'being'... She simply hasn't understood that about herself yet. We know the sky is blue because someone told us that color is blue... It could be red, and we had it wrong the whole time. Cameron has had no parenting, like Weaver is trying to give John Henry now. Chris is saying she is like a paper airplane, and is following "programming". I say Cameron is more like the space shuttle in complexity, and is only beginning to understand that.

I Hope that's better."

"
And it is definitely arguable, both ways I admit, that Cameron is capable of making choices instead of following a specific mission. I believe she consciously decided to override the terminate command. Cameron is a machine, but she is also very different, and I would think there's enough evidence to show that by now."