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notty22
notty22
Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 10:51 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 10:51 AM EST
Here is a really great article dealing with some issues argued here. One is the perception of cyborgs, relationships. How Cameron is evolving. What it means. "Rather than in words, Cameron “thinks in pictures,” to borrow a phrase from the autistic writer Temple Grandin."
http://www.brooklynrail.org/2009/02/film/not-like-ours

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Vantheman
Vantheman
1. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 4:13 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 4:13 PM EST
It was nice to read. Thanks for posting it Do you find this valuable?    
notty22
notty22
2. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 4:32 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 4:32 PM EST
I like how they point out that John and Riley have social issues, they are not normal, they compare their somewhat abnormal personalities to Cameron's evolving personality. Do you find this valuable?    
notty22
notty22
3. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 4:41 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 4:41 PM EST
. .I never thought I would see a rationale for the inclusion of the transvestite in episode 13 but this article has a good take on what it feels is the writers attempts at subtle comments on society.

"That the Sarah Connor Chronicles has begun to emerge as a positive voice for marginalized communities ranging from the autistic to transgendered forms a powerful argument for the revolutionary possibilities of a cyborg culture."

Maybe somewhere in there is a lesson for people to accept cyborgs as more than machines. But even if that were true, I look at the larger picture that Terminators were created to exterminate Humans. To kill us. There would never be peace between Skynet and us, they will fight to complete genocide on humans.
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JMHthe3rd
JMHthe3rd
4. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 4:48 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 4:48 PM EST
". .I never thought I would see a rationale for the inclusion of the transvestite in episode 13 but this article has a good take on what it feels is the writers attempts at subtle comments on society.

"That the Sarah Connor Chronicles has begun to emerge as a positive voice for marginalized communities ranging from the autistic to transgendered forms a powerful argument for the revolutionary possibilities of a cyborg culture."

Maybe somewhere in there is a lesson for people to accept cyborgs as more than machines. But even if that were true, I look at the larger picture that Terminators were created to exterminate Humans. To kill us. There would never be peace between Skynet and us, they will fight to complete genocide on humans."
True, but that doesn't mean there can *never* be peace between A.I. and humanity. The key factor is not to allow a sentient, self-aware A.I. unrestricted access to our nuclear arsenal. It's just common sense, really.
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notty22
notty22
5. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 4:54 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 4:54 PM EST
Well the question is, could a Cameron ever be built and not pimped out to the military. Its like Alien, the Corporation would want to weaponize Terminators, even if they started out as "children" or "friends" of the rich, and a Englishman named Xynoxx would definitely own one. Then a day would come when the mechanical friend says "no" or 2 of these friends get together and communicate. Thats one thing we have never seen is two terminators working together in any fashion. Do you find this valuable?    
Iranatest
Iranatest
6. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 6:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 6:38 PM EST
"Well the question is, could a Cameron ever be built and not pimped out to the military. Its like Alien, the Corporation would want to weaponize Terminators, even if they started out as "children" or "friends" of the rich, and a Englishman named Xynoxx would definitely own one. Then a day would come when the mechanical friend says "no" or 2 of these friends get together and communicate. Thats one thing we have never seen is two terminators working together in any fashion."
Then why was Catherine so disappointed when Ellison brought comrade back in his truck?
Answer: Cromartie brought Ellison's card to her. Ellison was surpised to find a stranger with his (unlisted number). He kept him safe from the Ellison copynator. The copynator and Cromartie's perfect timing was most likely a CW play to test him. That's what the conclusion of that episode was about.

And besides, after CW realized that Cromartie would not back her up, whe told Ellison "It's up to us now," with emphasis on the us. Ellison is now CW's soul mate to change the future.

In the future when there are plenty of terminators they work as labornators together moving jet engines etc. They are also techninators assembling the time machine. On & on to make the new society that CW is making with Ellison.
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intrepid
intrepid
7. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 7:50 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 7:50 PM EST
"Here is a really great article dealing with some issues argued here. One is the perception of cyborgs, relationships. How Cameron is evolving. What it means. "Rather than in words, Cameron “thinks in pictures,” to borrow a phrase from the autistic writer Temple Grandin."
http://www.brooklynrail.org/2009/02/film/not-like-ours

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Interesting article, thanks notty22

It got me thinking about Cameron and skynet, and exactly what they mean to each other.

I think we look upon Cameron as a representative of Terminator society, where in reality that would not be the case.
There is no society, no individuality, no self; Cameron is just a cog in a larger intelligence that goes by the name skynet.
You have to admire the purity in that, the many disparate parts all working in perfect unity to achieve one goal, and no doubt that what they/it are doing is right.

What John did by reprogramming Cameron was give her an identity, a realization of self.

In human terms this is liberation, to Cameron this is almost total isolation, because she unable to fully connect to her new situation.
Because, Cameron before reprogramming would have been “networked” to larger organism that she was a part of, now, she has to “relate” to humans in a way she wasn't designed to do.

Cameron looks and can act human, but at the core of her being she will never be human, she'll always be truly a alien in human society.
She was designed to be fully connected, in every way, to something larger than self, but she can't do that with John, because human interaction always comes from the point of view of self.

Cameron is something new, and watching her “grow” is going to be something wonderful to behold, just don't expect the end result to be human.
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notty22
notty22
8. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 8:10 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 8:10 PM EST
I think this quote "Each time, there is some cue in their lack of respect for personal space, privacy, and timing that reestablishes them as different." defines Cameron to a T her saying things like "bones and meat" "is she pregnant" "I'ma bitch whore" the list could go on and on. The author sees this in the other characters as well, I guess Riley's comments "I like shiny things" "you and I could be together" "apples and carrots". Guess they are all fcked up .lol Two guys talking touched on this during one podcast. They mentioned how CNN established how many people suffer from one kind of social disorder or another to some varying degree. What they were getting at is , they stated this You could walk in to a Walmart and find people acting no stranger than Cameron does, in public. I guess the point is her personality ain't that much different than ours? Do you find this valuable?    
TerminTatorTot
TerminTatorTot
9. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 8:21 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 8:21 PM EST
"I think this quote "Each time, there is some cue in their lack of respect for personal space, privacy, and timing that reestablishes them as different." defines Cameron to a T her saying things like "bones and meat" "is she pregnant" "I'ma bitch whore" the list could go on and on. The author sees this in the other characters as well, I guess Riley's comments "I like shiny things" "you and I could be together" "apples and carrots". Guess they are all fcked up .lol Two guys talking touched on this during one podcast. They mentioned how CNN established how many people suffer from one kind of social disorder or another to some varying degree. What they were getting at is , they stated this You could walk in to a Walmart and find people acting no stranger than Cameron does, in public. I guess the point is her personality ain't that much different than ours?"
Someone in another thread mentioned that he heard Dr. Sherman diagnose Cameron with Asperger's Syndrome. I had to look that one up, but its the social disorder that fits.
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DavidB1111
10. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 8:42 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 8:42 PM EST
Hmm, I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I don't know if it really fits...Does she get very distracted and nervous in large crowds? Does she fail to look you in the eye a lot, like I do. Hmm, I know the disorder/disease affects everyone differently, but still.
I don't see it.
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Postal_Maniac
Postal_Maniac
11. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 9:39 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 9:39 PM EST
Wow. Nuclear war compared to 9/11? You have got to be kidding me. Have we really forgotten World War II so soon? Have we heard of Japan? Goodbye, trash article. Do you find this valuable?    
Postal_Maniac
Postal_Maniac
12. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 9:51 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 9:51 PM EST
"Hmm, I have Asperger's Syndrome, and I don't know if it really fits...Does she get very distracted and nervous in large crowds? Does she fail to look you in the eye a lot, like I do. Hmm, I know the disorder/disease affects everyone differently, but still.
I don't see it."
I also have Asperger's, and you're right. Cameron is not really an aspie. If she were, she would also be physically clumsy and would be a less effective terminator. Cromartie was more aspie than Cameron. He was easily distracted, his aim was terrible, and he had no empathy at all.
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TerminTatorTot
TerminTatorTot
13. RE: Not Like Ours.... A cyborg culture...Cameron
Feb 7 2009, 10:37 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 7 2009, 10:37 PM EST
"I also have Asperger's, and you're right. Cameron is not really an aspie. If she were, she would also be physically clumsy and would be a less effective terminator. Cromartie was more aspie than Cameron. He was easily distracted, his aim was terrible, and he had no empathy at all."
All I see is what I read, and primary symptoms are: "Children with Asperger's syndrome typically exhibit social awkwardness and an all-absorbing interest in specific topics." , from mayoclinic.com. I don't think the physical clumsiness is necessarily required to be a part of the syndrome, but certainly can be there. Cameron maybe??? I keep thinking of that time she said the house was moving, as she noted the center of the house.
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