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GermaricanMix	20. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 3:28 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 3:28 PM EDT "If Derek would have known the Terminator was there, he would have at least gotten the first show off. " And that would have made me swallow this easier. You can still have a 'realistic' death without having him look like an amature. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
3_ducks	21. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 3:33 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 3:34 PM EDT "And that would have made me swallow this easier. You can still have a 'realistic' death without having him look like an amature." lol wtf is an amateur death??? derek's death scene will be one of the most memorable and talked about scenes in the show...JF did the right thing :) Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ilbts	22. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 3:38 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 3:38 PM EDT I'm not sure what my reaction to his death would have been if it had been a surprise. I live on the west coast and people here had already had posted threads with "Derek's Death" in the subject line. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GermaricanMix	23. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 3:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 3:56 PM EDT "lol wtf is an amateur death??? derek's death scene will be one of the most memorable and talked about scenes in the show...JF did the right thing :) " It's where a badass soldier from the future walks around a corner in enemy territory like an idiot and gets shot in the head by a terminator. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
nyccine	24. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 4:20 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 4:20 PM EDT "Are you certain that Derek didn't qualify as a civilian because he wasn't ever in the military? As for you, well, stop trolling out of the book of Notty about this death. Hell, do you know what fragging means? :) Ask those Vietnam vets about it. They'd know. I'm not saying you're the worst person ever, but still more proof is needed then this sanctimonious madness. " I'm objecting to piss-poor storytelling, something right out of the book of "shit you just don't do, ever" (kill off principle characters just for shock value), and I'm the fucking troll? Right up Notty22's alley no less? Blow me. Do you seriously not realise how much wasted potential there was with the character? How his simple presence added so much dramatic tension, both with Sarah and Cameron? How so little light had been shed on his past, what formed him? Now all that's out the window, just for shock value. Hell, we're not even getting a real reveal about what went on in the basement (as JF promised), just that lame-ass "it's happened before" response in the previous episode? Wow, what compelling television. Nonsensical twists and turns, and bona fide plot development is something the fans can fill in on their own, "Choose Your Own Adventure"-style. I can see it now: "If you want John to ask Cameron out, turn to page 97. If you want John to tell Cameron to buzz off, turn to page 94." Post reply 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GermaricanMix	25. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 4:44 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 4:44 PM EDT "I'm objecting to piss-poor storytelling, something right out of the book of "shit you just don't do, ever" (kill off principle characters just for shock value), and I'm the fucking troll? Right up Notty22's alley no less? Blow me. Do you seriously not realise how much wasted potential there was with the character? How his simple presence added so much dramatic tension, both with Sarah and Cameron? How so little light had been shed on his past, what formed him? Now all that's out the window, just for shock value. Hell, we're not even getting a real reveal about what went on in the basement (as JF promised), just that lame-ass "it's happened before" response in the previous episode? Wow, what compelling television. Nonsensical twists and turns, and bona fide plot development is something the fans can fill in on their own, "Choose Your Own Adventure"-style. I can see it now: "If you want John to ask Cameron out, turn to page 97. If you want John to tell Cameron to buzz off, turn to page 94."" I couldn't agree with you more if I tried. Derek's character has been absolutely wasted. you should NEVER kill a character just to be 'shocking'. And killing 3 characters before him is a good way to lessen the shock value. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
3_ducks	26. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 4:51 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 4:53 PM EDT "It's where a badass soldier from the future walks around a corner in enemy territory like an idiot and gets shot in the head by a terminator." so you want more drama with his death? that will be more realistic to you with all the slow motion...crying ....firefight....sarah and John screaming ....noooooooooooooooo...Derek falling while still clicking his Gloc and emoting and sad music in the background.....what a cliche' that will be if they do it like that.....he got shot on the head, he dropped...he died...he's dead....that i think is a more realistic approach to it than those dramatic BS that others were looking for..... Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GermaricanMix	27. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:01 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:01 PM EDT "so you want more drama with his death? that will be more realistic to you with all the slow motion...crying ....firefight....sarah and John screaming ....noooooooooooooooo...Derek falling while still clicking his Gloc and emoting and sad music in the background.....what a cliche' that will be if they do it like that.....he got shot on the head, he dropped...he died...he's dead....that i think is a more realistic approach to it than those dramatic BS that others were looking for....." No, I wanted him to not get shot to begin with. There was no point. But if they HAD to kill him, yes, I wanted something more dramatic. I wanted his death to have some sort of meaning, to have some effect and emotional impact but it didn't. This show is not realistic. It doesn't even try. It over dramatizes everything and this one time they tried to be different and edgy they only succeeded in cheapening his death by having no one CARE. 3 minor characters got death scenes with an emotional punch, Derek got nothing. He didn't even get tears from John or Sarah later on. If I want realistic deaths I'll watch the news. Post reply 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timbo77083	28. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:05 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:05 PM EDT "No, I wanted him to not get shot to begin with. There was no point. But if they HAD to kill him, yes, I wanted something more dramatic. I wanted his death to have some sort of meaning, to have some effect and emotional impact but it didn't. This show is not realistic. It doesn't even try. It over dramatizes everything and this one time they tried to be different and edgy they only succeeded in cheapening his death by having no one CARE. 3 minor characters got death scenes with an emotional punch, Derek got nothing. He didn't even get tears from John or Sarah later on. If I want realistic deaths I'll watch the news." John obviously cared as he was frozen in place staring at Derek's body, he almost did cry there and then again when Savannah asked about Derek. Derek, Riley, and Charley dying is what makes John into John Connor the stone cold man who saves humanity. And it again taught him that NO ONE is ever safe at any time anywhere. Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GermaricanMix	29. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:14 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:14 PM EDT "John obviously cared as he was frozen in place staring at Derek's body, he almost did cry there and then again when Savannah asked about Derek. Derek, Riley, and Charley dying is what makes John into John Connor the stone cold man who saves humanity. And it again taught him that NO ONE is ever safe at any time anywhere." Charley's death served that purpose. From a story telling standpoint that makes Derek's death redundant. Especially one after the other like that. SCC has always had problems with pacing and now suddenly having a death an episode takes away 'shock' and just makes it 'who's gonna die THIS time?' I can understand what they were trying to do with Derek's death. I can see your reasons and I can see theirs. But it didn't work. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Xynoxx	30. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:23 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:23 PM EDT Agree with those who say it was realistic. As I said on another thread, in war, this is mostly how it happens:quick, seemingly pointless. You think, this is so effing stupid and wasteful. That, generally, is war. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
notty22	31. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:29 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:29 PM EDT "John obviously cared as he was frozen in place staring at Derek's body, he almost did cry there and then again when Savannah asked about Derek. Derek, Riley, and Charley dying is what makes John into John Connor the stone cold man who saves humanity. And it again taught him that NO ONE is ever safe at any time anywhere." That is why he chooses to send back termiantors/machines to do time traveling missions. They are more expandable, they can be rebuilt and replaced. He put a higher value on human life than machine, some find that hard to grasp with their fondness for Cameron but its the truth. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timbo77083	32. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:32 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:32 PM EDT "That is why he chooses to send back termiantors/machines to do time traveling missions. They are more expandable, they can be rebuilt and replaced. He put a higher value on human life than machine, some find that hard to grasp with their fondness for Cameron but its the truth." I really like Cameron but I have to agree with you on this. He only sends back humans when it is a necessity otherwise he would send machines. He even does that with missions in the future. With that said he still values Cameron as well as Derek, Kyle and everyone else but he basically sends them on a one way trip, one that he knows they will not survive. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
GermaricanMix	33. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:34 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:34 PM EDT "I really like Cameron but I have to agree with you on this. He only sends back humans when it is a necessity otherwise he would send machines. He even does that with missions in the future. With that said he still values Cameron as well as Derek, Kyle and everyone else but he basically sends them on a one way trip, one that he knows they will not survive." John better have some sort of therapist in the future. "So I've pretty much killed my father AND my uncle..." At least Kyle died for a good reason. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
WestCoastTerminator	34. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:43 PM EDT "Agree with those who say it was realistic. As I said on another thread, in war, this is mostly how it happens:quick, seemingly pointless. You think, this is so effing stupid and wasteful. That, generally, is war." Yeah I couldn't agree more about the realism. Well I mean if it was me that took the bullet between the eyes. I have only shot a pistol once or twice in my life, and only at a range. I have never done the gun out in front thing, trying to find the badguys while avoiding getting shot. But if I ever did something like that I would expect that I would have went out like Derrek. Quick, heartless, with no fanfare. But that is because I have no idea what I am doing. Conversely, Derek was a trained soldier who would have probably taken just a tad more care when walking around a hostile environment. Perhaps no walking in the middle of the room. Perhaps not going around a corner like you are at the super market heading to the produce aisle. And oh yeah maybe paying a bit of attention to the, what had to be obvious in a silent house, clump, clump, of a booted Terminator coming down the hall. Terminators have never been about stealth when it comes to clomping aroung like a heard of wild elephants. They aren't exactly light on their feet. Not saying Derek dying was bad or unexpected, nor that going out quick, clean and cold was bad, but at least not have him appear to be an inexperienced moron. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
genese	35. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:43 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:43 PM EDT It was stupid and Derek deserved better than this. He deserved better all season. I wanted to know more about the basement and how he felt about betraying his brother and friends. What kind of torture were they doing?? Why was he yelling, she lies when he was shot?? Did he kill Jesse, did John know Derek folded under torture??? Why did John send Derek back??? JF is an ass. If he wanted to do something diffferent, why not write well for all characters in the show. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DavidB1111	36. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:53 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 5:55 PM EDT >>> Blow me. Do you seriously not realise how much wasted potential there was with the character? How his simple presence added so much dramatic tension, both with Sarah and Cameron? How so little light had been shed on his past, what formed him? Now all that's out the window, just for shock value. Hell, we're not even getting a real reveal about what went on in the basement (as JF promised), just that lame-ass "it's happened before" response in the previous episode? >>> You see, this is why I know you weren't in the military, people in the military don't resort to BS 8th grade insults. :) They usually react with calmness and niceness. You know what I mean. Now, you're trolling, because you think his death was some horrible crime against humanity? It's a TV show? And enough about the damn basement. If you can't be happy about the show, stop bloody watching it as the English would say. Honestly, calling you a troll might be insulting, but hey, it should give you pause to consider that not everyone and their brother thinks like you do... I'm calm about it. Faling to see my point is not a problem. Being so crazed in your own view that you make fundamentalists look sane, now, that's a problem... Seriously, how can anyone freak out as much as you did? It's bad enough, we have to deal with the spam that states that the final episode will be stupid. we have to deal with fanaticism, and let's me honest, I'm not the fanatic. Maybe Troll is better than Fanatic? All I'm saying is that if Josh Really messed up anything this season, It must be impossible for me to see. Hence the trolling insult. TL;DR Maybe you're wrong. Genese, you are the troll. > JF is an ass. If he wanted to do something diffferent, why not write well for all characters in the show. < Sorry. You are. Post reply 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
thegalen	37. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 5:57 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 6:04 PM EDT "I'm objecting to piss-poor storytelling, something right out of the book of "shit you just don't do, ever" (kill off principle characters just for shock value), and I'm the fucking troll? Right up Notty22's alley no less? Blow me. Do you seriously not realise how much wasted potential there was with the character? How his simple presence added so much dramatic tension, both with Sarah and Cameron? How so little light had been shed on his past, what formed him? Now all that's out the window, just for shock value. Hell, we're not even getting a real reveal about what went on in the basement (as JF promised), just that lame-ass "it's happened before" response in the previous episode? Wow, what compelling television. Nonsensical twists and turns, and bona fide plot development is something the fans can fill in on their own, "Choose Your Own Adventure"-style. I can see it now: "If you want John to ask Cameron out, turn to page 97. If you want John to tell Cameron to buzz off, turn to page 94."" nyccine, i honestly think you're angry about what a good charcter being killed. all that happened was a chance encounter in a hostile situation and derek got beat by a machine with super accurate gunnery. its a meeting encounter and derek lost the battle. it happens sometimes, that's why so many men die in war. there's an old hunter's saying: some days you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
thegalen	38. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 6:01 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 6:01 PM EDT "No, I wanted him to not get shot to begin with. There was no point. But if they HAD to kill him, yes, I wanted something more dramatic. I wanted his death to have some sort of meaning, to have some effect and emotional impact but it didn't. This show is not realistic. It doesn't even try. It over dramatizes everything and this one time they tried to be different and edgy they only succeeded in cheapening his death by having no one CARE. 3 minor characters got death scenes with an emotional punch, Derek got nothing. He didn't even get tears from John or Sarah later on. If I want realistic deaths I'll watch the news." lol, what is realistic about this show?! its sci-fi man! besides, i sort of think derek wanted off the show to get work somewhere else. i cannot prove that at all though, its just speculation. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
thegalen	39. RE: Toni Graphia on Derek's Death Apr 5 2009, 6:02 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 5 2009, 6:02 PM EDT "Agree with those who say it was realistic. As I said on another thread, in war, this is mostly how it happens:quick, seemingly pointless. You think, this is so effing stupid and wasteful. That, generally, is war." that is true. inw ar, there is no slow deatha dn crazy drama. when you get taken out like derek did, its fast and furious. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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