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ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 3:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 3:52 PM EDT
I posted this on the TSCC Blog, and felt fans of the Fox Wiki should also get a taste.

What is this about? The fact that even loyal fans (and I include myself in that) were making apologies for the show, which was slow, emo, etc. even though well written. For the record I never said it wasn't well written. What I said just because it is well written that is not enough: it SHOULD also be about Terminator, AND be a sci fi action adventure.
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ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
1. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 3:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 3:53 PM EDT

Several people have ranted about this lack of these qualities. Others have ranted against the ranters.

Now, we have good eps, based upon what the ranters were saying the show SHOULD be doing all along. Now, the show is nuch, MUCH better - even if Riley, Evil!Jesse, Charlie and Derek had to die.

Now, we see the difference between edge of your seat action adventure, and the slow motion, no plot moving forward eps we were getting. Now, we wee what the show would be like if JF hadn't gotten emo himself and sidetracked with his cancer between his ears fetish that he imposed UPON the show. What we saw with a great deal of TSCC is a cheap impersonation of what we all knew it could and should be.

Some of us have been willing to shout out against what we felt was a bastardization of TSCC and felt insulted for what was being passed off on us.

No, this is not what I would have written, but I am not on the writing staff. But what I see though let's me know if Josh had done THIS from the pilot on, he'd have a major hit on his hands. And yes, I mean from the pilot: none of that JC in high school b.s.; we got a taste of what TSCC really has to offer: people get dead, Sarah hunted and fighting cops and the FBI, multiple factors plotting to take over the world, all that is between them doing that is Sarah's shotguns and pancakes. The "family drama" is in the bond between Sarah to protect her son and John having to take some of the load off of his mother - but the hits just keep on coming, as does the stress, and all they've got IS each other.

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ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
2. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 3:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 3:54 PM EDT
The show would be even better if John would actually be willing to unload his clip at someone/thing for a change. A guy in his position will either run from his destiny (done in T3 and nobody liked it) or embrace it and become utterly fearless. Since his mother already is, why WOULDN't he be. Lots of guys his age living on the streets in Urban USA have a "ride of die" mentality. John is a SOLDIER, and his mother is a TERRORIST. Each of them believe that Skynet is going to tear down ALL of society so how do theycope with that, knowing that all of humanity will be laid to waste: by becoming as HARDENED as the machines they fight, yet holding on to the humanity they have for each OTHER. Meanwhile, this is WAR, and the people they care about WILL die around them.

This makes the Cameron character even more valuable. She evens the odds out a bit in "the Conners vx. the World." It means she can protect them for things like corporate security mercenaries, hitmen, crime bosses, and bounty hunters looking to make a buck on the "Most Wanted" list. It means them doing whatever they have to do to survive: like forcing a plastic surgeon to change Sarah's face, or stealling something of value so they have the money nneded to fight, or run, or gather intel, or function properly. It maing mean hiring mercs.

Whatever it means, is a LOT different than the "safehouse" seasons we have had.

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ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
3. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 3:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 3:54 PM EDT
This is a different direction for the show, where no one is safe, and the future IS both unknown and deadly for all (including the viewers!). This slam bang action means even if they do a serialized show you MUST watch to find out what will happen next. The twists keep you glued. The eps go fast. The action is furious, and even the drama in between is full of tension and intrigue. And hey. the PLOT moves forward!

Imagine that! We are seeing that. And we LIKE it - no, LOVE it!

So, for all of you that said I should shut up: enjoy these last eps - it IS excatly what I was saying we should have been getting all along. 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
4. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 3:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 3:55 PM EDT
Here's the TSCC Blog comment:

"Anyone that has read my rants over the past several months knows I have asked TSCC to be what it FINALLY is now: a sci fi action adventure.

In doing so, we see the DIFFERENCE in just how good this show can be WHEN it embraces those roots.
I stand justified for all the fans who enjoyed the slower eps (hey, I enjoyed them too); for now you SEE what i knew TSCC could be all along!

There’s no “holding back” when you have to “go for it.” TSCC is now gong for it, and we are enjoying this waaaaay much more than before. Now, this isn’t a daytime soap or a melodrama that should be on the Lifetime Channel. Now, this is full on, edge on your seat thrill ride no apologies taking no prisoners in your face butt kicking ACTION.

TSCC is now on a par with The Shield and The Sopranos on the put your hands over the kids eys scale cause somebody is about to get dead. This is as it should be within the Terminator scope of things: this is TERMINATOR after all, and that doesn’t just mean turning off the light switch - it means observing the VERY dangerous threat that the deadliest brand to ever threathen humankind presents: death. Anytime, anyplace, to anyone: and NO ONE is safe.

All that is missing now, is the element that Skynet is trying to - and is going to - take ALL of us out: 3 million dead on Jday (just a few years away) is a prospect that every viewer such root for the Conners to overcome…as if their LIVES depended upon it!"
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DeadpooI
5. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 3:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 3:57 PM EDT
First.

(tl;dr) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
ClaudeFTW
ClaudeFTW
6. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 3:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 3:59 PM EDT
Errr... Do you find this valuable?    
Cammynator
Cammynator
7. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:00 PM EDT
"First.

(tl;dr) "
Gratz Chris, you've been Troll'ed 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Pharazon
Pharazon
8. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:02 PM EDT
I love the tags so effing much. Do you find this valuable?    
VersusTerminus
VersusTerminus
9. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:07 PM EDT
Errr, so now you like the show's direction? Do you find this valuable?    

HawkDsl
10. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:14 PM EDT
/lurch sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCc-RWIp7XU

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eXecutex
eXecutex
11. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:15 PM EDT
Well he does have a point, the current state of the episodes, actually excite people. Even the response/reaction from people was different.

In fact, after "Some must watch.. while" episode, i heard lots of people criticizing the show, and they've all been complimenting the show after Adam Raised a Cain and Today is the day etc...

JF thought he could experiment, he was proven wrong, but it's a lesson learned. But I would not want a few "bad episodes" to ruin this perfect show... I would not want JF's tiny mistake to determine the fate of the show for another season. 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
aurum1
aurum1
12. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:16 PM EDT
"Errr, so now you like the show's direction?"
I think he likes the show's direction over the past few episodes; pretty much since the Sarah episodes stopped, but especially building up to "Adam Raised a Cain", which is just a heart-pounding episode.

You really have no idea what's coming next anymore; it's so tight and tense. I thought after Weaver said "You should be" (sorry) to Ellison, and the elevator door closed, I was sure I was going to see her blades come out and Ellison's head come off.

A bit of good action and the suspense goes way up. These last few episodes have ruled. This is what the show should have been. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
13. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:16 PM EDT
"Gratz Chris, you've been Troll'ed"
I don't even know what that stuff (symbols, letters) means. Someone please explain. Do you find this valuable?    
Cammynator
Cammynator
14. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:19 PM EDT
"I don't even know what that stuff (symbols, letters) means. Someone please explain."
you know, like Punk'ed, except the troll here is Deadpool for saying "First". So you're thread has been troll'ed Do you find this valuable?    
ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
15. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:25 PM EDT
"I think he likes the show's direction over the past few episodes; pretty much since the Sarah episodes stopped, but especially building up to "Adam Raised a Cain", which is just a heart-pounding episode.

You really have no idea what's coming next anymore; it's so tight and tense. I thought after Weaver said "You should be" (sorry) to Ellison, and the elevator door closed, I was sure I was going to see her blades come out and Ellison's head come off.

A bit of good action and the suspense goes way up. These last few episodes have ruled. This is what the show should have been."
Yeah, that what I meant. I'd been saying TSCC was supposed to be a Terminator based sci fi action adventure, not a soap opera format melodrama. some folks got mad that I was not only speaking my mind, but saying ANYTHING bad about the show(one fan even deleted all the content on my rant fan page!).

Turns out, I - and a lot of other people who thought the show WASN'T living up to its full potential - were RIGHT.

Not that I feel good about that; I'd have preferred for the show to have done this long ago....

And the direct it is going is fine by me. I don't know what that direction is, and JF WILL keep you guessing, but THAT part is part of the fun: you just sit back and enjoy the (fast!) ride, never knowing WHERE the twists and turns are going to come from.

Now, WE can't write this show. Before, we could have all pitched in and wrote a much better series than we got. Before, the eps were so slow all you could do was contemplate what the hell was going on and how things could be different. Now, you have to watch twice just to catch up with all that is going on!

I think we all prefer the latter.

I hope we all reconcile as fans because of it.

That's family housecleaning for us: now go clean the shotguns; I'll make pancakes! 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
eXecutex
eXecutex
16. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:35 PM EDT
It's not that focusing on Sarah the character or the char development or soap opera was bad...
It was the fact that they froze 'EVERYTHING' about the storyline to focus on those above things. They should have kept the storyline going while doing the things they did.

The couple characters introduced for no reason, like Charles fischer? Allison's friend? The friendly neighbor? The roommate in the clinic? Kind of felt like a waste of time to me. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
BattleJuice
BattleJuice
17. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:38 PM EDT
"It's not that focusing on Sarah the character or the char development or soap opera was bad...
It was the fact that they froze 'EVERYTHING' about the storyline to focus on those above things. They should have kept the storyline going while doing the things they did."
It's not that they weren't moving the story along. In Some Must Watch... Sarah got the implant, and that wasn't revealed until later.

Even when it was slow, it was way, way ahead of us.

The show never stops making you guess what the hell is going on. If some are slow, so be it. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
18. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 4:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 4:58 PM EDT
"It's not that they weren't moving the story along. In Some Must Watch... Sarah got the implant, and that wasn't revealed until later.

Even when it was slow, it was way, way ahead of us.

The show never stops making you guess what the hell is going on. If some are slow, so be it."
Battle, I want to agree with you, but for two seasons this is what was going on:

1. Every viewer watching TSCC already knew the Terminator mythology very, very well.

2. We all watched every single ep, and did in-depth analysis, yet none of had a clue as to what was going on with this plot - over that extended period of time - as Josh also made the mistake of teasing, teasing, teasing with no payoff. He threw in side stuff thinking this would "appease" us but it didn't; we watched, and some complained and some didn't but we all knew none of the plot was moving forward, just marking (actually, wasting) time.

3. We didn't know what any of the characters were up to, or why they were up to whatever.

4. We got LOTS of detail. Too much detail. Detail in the names of the eps, and the locations of the shoots, and the props, and, and, and and. Meanwhile, no substantative movement forward of ANY of the miny, many plot threads. I don't know about you but this became extremely frustrating, and gave me vertigo!

I thought tacticlly Josh was being silly.

As we can see now, he can actually deliver a fast paced, slam bang action series. We like that. I like the other too, much always knew TSCC could be THIS kind of show.

Even if it doesn't get S3, like Riley and Jesse, at least they were redeemed a bit in the public's eyes. (Wish I could say the same for Derek). At least TSCC didn't go out like a punk, whimpy, whiney, wussy show.

So in my mind, no matter what the goofey Nielson ratings are, this show deserves the rank of "hit." Bona fide, no excuses, didn't fade out, but went the way it came in: with a BANG! 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
eXecutex
eXecutex
19. RE: The Ranters were RIGHT!
Apr 6 2009, 5:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2009, 5:00 PM EDT
Goes back to my other point, they left too many questions and left all the answers to the ending.... it's a mistake. They need to reveal some answers and keep going.

Fringe is gonna die soon too, its' gonna bleed viewers because they are flooding the viewer with questions... 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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