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somekindarobit	20. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 7 2009, 8:30 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 8:30 PM EDT "I honestly don't remember Cameron hacking anything. John hacked Dakara's hardrives, not Cameron" It was off screen. We never see her do it, but she tells us she did. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
santose2008	21. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 7 2009, 8:31 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 8:31 PM EDT "I honestly don't remember Cameron hacking anything. John hacked Dakara's hardrives, not Cameron" I remember she hacked into Greenway files at the power plant on the second episode. She told Derek and Sarah that at the bar. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tk1000	22. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 7 2009, 8:33 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 8:45 PM EDT "Nothing would surprise me after Derek was taken out. " agreed! http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/photo/4929064/red+button+is+pressed Post reply Do you find this valuable?
notty22	23. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 7 2009, 8:36 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 8:36 PM EDT "I remember she hacked into Greenway files at the power plant on the second episode. She told Derek and Sarah that at the bar. " 'She also made a comment about Sherman's records. She might not have made the comment about Dekara, I just scanned it quickly. I know it was JOhn that physically checked the stolen HD's in that ep. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Zable_Fahr	24. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 7 2009, 8:48 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 8:53 PM EDT "... And most of all, it IS exactly the sort of thing that executive producer Josh Friedman loves to do. How many times has he blindsided fans with something major? Be honest... Final answer... I could go either way on this." For me, this is exactly what makes it so easy to accept this as a possibility. At first, I just assumed that it was the existence of the anti-JH AI that was the big Skynet secret of the season. But it is entirely possible that there is a second secret hidden there: that the anti-AI either has an identity (and that this identity might be a character that is known to us), or is closely tied to an existing character. Either way, it would be quite a twist. And there IS as shocking revelation heading our way. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Dr._Allison_Cameron	25. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 7 2009, 9:41 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 9:43 PM EDT Perhaps her mission is to disable John Henry, who would otherwise grow to be an enemy of Skynet after Judgment Day. She would use the Connors as cover while she searches for John Henry. Back in the pilot, she had a secret smile when Sarah agreed to jump to Los Angeles in 2007 to search for Skynet. She just watched while John and Derek fought the term in Goodbye to All That. She had a sad expression when she shot Cromartie. Pretzel Girl term's mission was never clear. Maybe she was there to save Sherman. Notably, after Cam disabled her, thereby preventing her from completing her mission, Sherman died. Of course Sherman was important in helping John Henry develop into his current human friendly personna. And remember how Sherman died -- due to a power outage at night, something that Cam could have caused. I think Ellison term was sent to destroy John Henry. As one of the few people who had unlimited access to John Henry, Ellison would be an ideal individual to impersonate to gain access to the Zeira basement. The only real question would be, how did Ellison term's maker know what Ellison looks like. Obviously, Cam had seen Ellison and has a perfect memory. We never saw the other term throw her through the window in Alpine Fields. Maybe she just jumped in herself and pretended to be out. On another thread, Cam's "fainting" spells have been questioned. And does her faster reboot time reflect some hidden aspect of her software? What about the spoiler scene where Cam is walking through hallways shooting? We think she is breaking Sarah out of jail, but it could actually be an assault on the Zeira basement. I didn't see any police uniforms. Maybe Sarah gets out of jail some other way. As someone else already pointed out, the "I'm sorry, John" message could be from Cam after she has betrayed him by penetrating John Henry somehow. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TackDriver1956	26. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 7 2009, 10:14 PM EDT CAM: "I take orders from John. Not this John". Perhaps John Henry? Perhaps Cam's mission is to guard John Connor, and to serve as ambassador between them? Ellison: who is the conduit of his betrayal to the future skynet? Cameron? Not John Henry... although once SkyNet v.0 has hacked John Henry, Ellison would be known to SkyNet. The spoiler scene is architecturally more likely to be a police station than a computer engineering company. We don't get that much privacy or sound isolation (doors and high privacy glass)... managers like to easily see what we're doing. Or not. Are you saying that Cam is apologizing to John Henry? Hmmmm. Or is she having an out-of-chassis experience, after giving her all for John Connor? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AverageJo	27. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 7 2009, 10:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 7 2009, 10:41 PM EDT "What about the spoiler scene where Cam is walking through hallways shooting? We think she is breaking Sarah out of jail, but it could actually be an assault on the Zeira basement. I didn't see any police uniforms. Maybe Sarah gets out of jail some other way" Can't say for sure about your other points but this one is incorrect. There are jail-cell bars in one part of that sequence, and a uniformed jail guard and Cameron trade shots through them. Also, there is cheap paint on the walls, not what you'd expect in a high-end corporation. It's definitely a jail. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Gusar	28. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 6:20 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 6:20 AM EDT This theory is waaaaaaaaay to complicated with very little guarantee the scheme won't be found out. Why go through all this instead of just kill John Connor? Kill John and the resistance won't exist. Problem solved. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
daviroo	29. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 6:39 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 6:39 AM EDT "Get close to John, understand how he thinks and acts, become a confidant. Use what it learns to manipulate the present. Call the police and get Sarah locked up. Give John a locket with a red button to ease his concerns. " The lyrics to the opening song of season 2 would relate to this theory very well. Wouldn't rule it out that's for sure! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TackDriver1956	30. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 9:36 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 9:36 AM EDT "This theory is waaaaaaaaay to complicated with very little guarantee the scheme won't be found out. Why go through all this instead of just kill John Connor? Kill John and the resistance won't exist. Problem solved." Kill John Connor, and another leader will rise. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LiquidMetal	31. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 10:03 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 10:05 AM EDT Preface The following is conjecture on my part, and is offered as an opinion to stimulate discussions around the possibilities of TSCC. After the death of Derek, nothing would surprise me, and we should be able to postulate the perceived impossibility of such events. Opinion Maybe Cameron/Skynet is not finished with John just yet. It needs to be with John as he continues to grow older, wiser, eventually destined to become the Supreme Commander of the Resistance in Cameron's/Skynet's time line. There is plenty of time to kill John since he is still young. Who is left? Sarah in jail (again). Kyle is dead. Derek is dead. Charley is dead. Perceived good guy: John Perceived good Terminator: Cameron John and Cameron are the only two left from the original Connor gang that is not dead or in jail. Cameron/Skynet finally has John alone. Perceived bad guys: CW and JH. (IMHO these two are "good guys") Catherine Weaver: Sent back in time by future JC, whose mission is to prevent Judgment Day by creating JH (anti-Cameron/Skynet). JH: The anti-Cameron/Skynet. Ironic that CW would chose Cromartie Terminator and reprogram it into JH. Ellison: Purposedly recruited by CW to teach JH everything unrelated to the destruction of mankind, i.e., Judgment Day. Morality, God, good and evil, honestly, truth, and so on. Samantha: could be the "I-didn't-see-that-coming" character. Her on screen time has escalated over the last four episodes. Why? You would think Waternator would know that CW would be at work and the only people in the house would be Savannah and the nanny. Terminators can scan buildings with infrared to "see" inside. This tells me that Waternator was there to kill Samantha. Why? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Xynoxx	32. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 10:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 10:15 AM EDT LM, I'm very suprised. Are you deliberately playing devil's advocate? I can't see Skynet wasting the time, Just kill John Connor present, and everything changes in its favour. The whole Cameron subterfuge, over such a long time is a watse of precious resources. ID your enemy, kill him. Story, end of. And no, to those who believe another leader would rise. The once and future leader is John Connor. NO other. CW - his mother thinks he's the Messiah. To Skynet, there is one "Messiah", and he's called John Connor. Another leader would not be fighting Skynet, and therefore Skynet's wasting all this time would be ultimately irrelevant. Skynet cannot exist without John Connor. Cameron is exactly wshat she appears to be, JC's confidant, and protector. If they do make her out to be Skynet, or blow her up in yet another the-erminator-must-die-at-the-end; or bring her back in a Pammy's Dream in a ghastly jump-the-shark squadron moment,... That would add insult to injury, a great idea bowdlerised, and the ratings would plummet even deeper than Jesse's sub. Season 3 a wispy pipe dream; and in the seemingly unlikely event of there actually being a Season 3, the current ratings would look fantastic by comparion. Spectacular show suicide, though. You're "joshing" with us, right? Edut: by the same token, CW could be Skynet's "handmaiden". JH becomes Skynet. And why would Cameron/Sknet allow itaelf to be clobbered so often - from the S&D truck scene to risk having the chip removed so many times - ARTIE, S&D, blown up, asking CW (possibly on the sub) to Join "us" and looking extremely downcast at the "No" reply. Lot's more that does not gel with a Cameron/Skynet scenario. Too much like making hard work for itself. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LiquidMetal	33. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 10:18 AM EDT Shhhhhh. [whispering]. Playing devil's advocate here. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
nachi-wan	34. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 10:23 AM EDT "Something has been bugging me ever since JH was "attacked." There has never been any indication through 2 seasons that another AI existed. The only other sentient AI's besides JH have been Vick (arguable), CW and Cameron. We know Vick has been terminated, and all of the other Terminators were mission-specific drones (Greenway, Carter, Cromartie, Pretzel Girl, Waterboy, and so on. CW and Cameron are the only known Terminators that can interact with humans on a daily basis, and are both sentient and self-aware. This leaves me wondering if Cameron tried to attack and destroy JH. Nothing would surprise me after Derek was taken out. What if Cameron is Skynet? What if it came back in the form of Cameron to get close to John, and ensure the future existence of Skynet. The Skynet in the future is everywhere. What if Skynet embedded itself inside Cameron and sent itself back in time (that is, if you want something done right, do it yourself). Maybe Skynet is losing the war in the future, is "frustrated" at the failed attempts to kill Sarah and John, and figures if it went back in time, it could learn from its mistakes. What if the red button does nothing. Just a thought. " i doubt that... she a terminator, not a super computer Post reply Do you find this valuable?
notty22	35. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 10:27 AM EDT "Shhhhhh. [whispering]. Playing devil's advocate here. " I agree with Cameron maybe having a agenda, maybe she is a Manchurian candidate ? Who is the bad guy? who is kaliba? Cameron could be the other, the one that has a presence on the internet. Cameron can mufti task.... maybe she is not even aware of some of the things this other does. The other is the one that shoots the guys at the bowling alley, the other is the one that looks sad when it kills Chromartie......... the other is within. Post reply 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Xynoxx	36. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 10:29 AM EDT "Shhhhhh. [whispering]. Playing devil's advocate here" Pheeww. Thank God! fair took the wind out o' me sails, aarr tells ee.... Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AverageJo	37. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 11:34 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 12:20 PM EDT "Samantha: could be the "I-didn't-see-that-coming" character. Her on screen time has escalated over the last four episodes. Why? You would think Waternator would know that CW would be at work and the only people in the house would be Savannah and the nanny. Terminators can scan buildings with infrared to "see" inside. This tells me that Waternator was there to kill Samantha. Why?" Minor goof here: Samantha = Savannah (played by Mackenzie Smith) Apparently Savannah's role has expanded because young Ms. Smith has unexpectedly proved to be a capable actress. In a recent interview, Josh Friedman explained that as the writers gradually realized that Mackenzie Smith could handle whatever they wrote, they "stopped writing down to her" and began giving much more to do. So her escalating role was entirely due to her own talent. Does this mean that she will play a crucial part in the TSCC mythos, assuming season 3 occurs? Only Josh Friedman could answer that. Edit: About terminators using infrared scanning, that relies entirely upon the existence on temperature differences in a direct line of sight. While it would probably work through glass (not really sure), a wall with even moderate insulation would likely block it, regardless of show biz artistic license. Of course, the van with the waterboy term could be seen pulling up behind Savannah through the glass wall behind her. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GaiusBaltar	38. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 8 2009, 12:03 PM EDT that's interesting, but it make nonsense."The Other" hacked JH."The Other" tried to destroy Cameron.The Other is not JH, neither Cameron.That's all. There are not so much surprise in Terminator, imo Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ymmatt09	39. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 11 2009, 6:07 AM EDT Cameron is asked to join them by JH. We now know Weaver's team are 'good' guys. Cameron joins them. She has made a decision to protect John by joining JH. Without a season 3 we will never know how this would have happened. She doesn't have a chance to explain to John so she tries to apologize on the computer. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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