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APOCALУPSE	40. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 11 2009, 6:09 AM EDT "Something has been bugging me ever since JH was "attacked." There has never been any indication through 2 seasons that another AI existed. The only other sentient AI's besides JH have been Vick (arguable), CW and Cameron. We know Vick has been terminated, and all of the other Terminators were mission-specific drones (Greenway, Carter, Cromartie, Pretzel Girl, Waterboy, and so on. CW and Cameron are the only known Terminators that can interact with humans on a daily basis, and are both sentient and self-aware. This leaves me wondering if Cameron tried to attack and destroy JH. Nothing would surprise me after Derek was taken out. What if Cameron is Skynet? What if it came back in the form of Cameron to get close to John, and ensure the future existence of Skynet. The Skynet in the future is everywhere. What if Skynet embedded itself inside Cameron and sent itself back in time (that is, if you want something done right, do it yourself). Maybe Skynet is losing the war in the future, is "frustrated" at the failed attempts to kill Sarah and John, and figures if it went back in time, it could learn from its mistakes. What if the red button does nothing. Just a thought. " Oh man!ARE YOU SERIOUS???!!))) She's not Skynet! Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
CarelessWhisper	41. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 12 2009, 4:39 AM EDT After all those explanations, I wanna ask a question and mention about one thing.. Is there anyone who remembers once Cameron tried to kill John..? If those misson haven't exist in her body, It would not happen.. But she tried to kill so it was her misson but not on that time.. Anyway.. The question is that when they were in future they asked that liquid metal "will you join us?" then she refuesed it means that it is not in good side because it would not joind john's army.. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
morricone	42. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 12 2009, 5:23 AM EDT I think the missing son of Miles Dyson (how old is he now?) built the opposing AI to revenge his father's death. Which later becomes Skynet. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
macsimus	43. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 13 2009, 1:32 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 13 2009, 1:36 AM EDT "After all those explanations, I wanna ask a question and mention about one thing.. Is there anyone who remembers once Cameron tried to kill John..? If those misson haven't exist in her body, It would not happen.. But she tried to kill so it was her misson but not on that time.. Anyway.. The question is that when they were in future they asked that liquid metal "will you join us?" then she refuesed it means that it is not in good side because it would not joind john's army.." I disagree. I think the future we saw with Jesse was a different time line. I think we are in two or more timelines now, and things are more complicated. I think Cameron knows the future from one timeline and by joining up with JH, and CW, they can change the future, which for them, was the past. JH now gets the benefit of both his humanization plus he has Cameron's chip, so he can learn from that as well. Did anyone consider the freaky possibility that the Cameron that John knew today, was once John Henry? Now there's some very freaky s--t. I don't think that's where we are headed, but it's certainly possible. Or, it is possible that JH makes the creation of Cameron possible somehow in the future, thus she has no choice. Hence, her glitches now, from a different timeline - might be what some suspect, but maybe those are fixed in this new timeline. But more likely, I think JH and Cameron have some sort of key symbiotic role to play together to save John. And I don't know what that role is, but I think it's interesting and necessitates a third season, at least. I hope they do extend it. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
leighlu	44. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 14 2009, 8:23 AM EDT If you remember in the jail house, the detective asked Sarah about Danny---Miles son. He has been missing for 3 months. I think that is our other. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
rref	45. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 14 2009, 9:28 AM EDT "If you remember in the jail house, the detective asked Sarah about Danny---Miles son. He has been missing for 3 months. I think that is our other." Damn, I didn't think of that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
termi-ninja-tor	46. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 14 2009, 9:39 AM EDT "If you remember in the jail house, the detective asked Sarah about Danny---Miles son. He has been missing for 3 months. I think that is our other." But only for three months? The Desert HVAC HK drone warehouse was around for a while; it wasn't a new facility. I got the impression that John Henry's "brother" has been active for a long time, enough time to set up an assassin squad of water guys, to set up the whole company town around Desert HVAC, and to propagate its worm into many computers. Granted, all of this could have been done in a few months, exept Desert HVAC, but it would be more credible if they said he had been working on it for years. Having said that, I definitely agree that Danny's disappearance has something to do with the "Other." Just don't know what it could be. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Polarik	47. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 14 2009, 4:59 PM EDT "Something has been bugging me ever since JH was "attacked." There has never been any indication through 2 seasons that another AI existed. The only other sentient AI's besides JH have been Vick (arguable), CW and Cameron. We know Vick has been terminated, and all of the other Terminators were mission-specific drones (Greenway, Carter, Cromartie, Pretzel Girl, Waterboy, and so on. CW and Cameron are the only known Terminators that can interact with humans on a daily basis, and are both sentient and self-aware. This leaves me wondering if Cameron tried to attack and destroy JH. Nothing would surprise me after Derek was taken out. What if Cameron is Skynet? What if it came back in the form of Cameron to get close to John, and ensure the future existence of Skynet. The Skynet in the future is everywhere. What if Skynet embedded itself inside Cameron and sent itself back in time (that is, if you want something done right, do it yourself). Maybe Skynet is losing the war in the future, is "frustrated" at the failed attempts to kill Sarah and John, and figures if it went back in time, it could learn from its mistakes. What if the red button does nothing. Just a thought. " In the last scene of Born to Run, Cameron was human, not yet a Cyborg. Remember that Cyborgs were "reprogrammed" to protect humans, but the core programming remains the same: change a computer bit to chage the prime directive: 1 for terminate, 0 fo protect. Computer 101. Now, John Henry recalled meeting Cameron and Cameron recalled meeting John Henry, but when they met, JH was Cromartie. I do not belive that Cromartie is who Cameron is thinking about. I feel that they "met" in the future, and that Cameron, by giving her chip to JH, transformed him into the one she met in the future. Cameron's mission was not just to save John, but also to destroy SkyNet. When Cameron learns that JH was created to defeat SkyNet, she already knows that she and JH will join forces, hence the recognition of Ellison's "Will you join us" query, and Cameron's abrupt response! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
leighlu	48. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 14 2009, 7:38 PM EDT I think Cameron went back to get her self again. She can go back and get her body. CW and John can help her get the chip back in her body. CW will have her "son." John will have Cameron. But somehow I don't think the future part John is in --- that John exist. With him in the future, that could ruin him being born at that time. And once he knows Cameron killed the girl that she becomes. Will he be willing to have her back on his side. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
macsimus	49. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 14 2009, 8:17 PM EDT " With him in the future, that could ruin him being born at that time. And once he knows Cameron killed the girl that she becomes. Will he be willing to have her back on his side." I think future John already knew what Cameron had done, and yet he still sent her back. I think this John came to trust her. I think their "relationship", its profound challenges and also its apparent durability, is a core theme of the story. Sort of like Buffy and Angel, except in a scifi, girlbot/geek boy heaven kind of way. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Lumpleader	50. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 15 2009, 3:35 PM EDT "I think Cameron went back to get her self again. She can go back and get her body. CW and John can help her get the chip back in her body. CW will have her "son." John will have Cameron. But somehow I don't think the future part John is in --- that John exist. With him in the future, that could ruin him being born at that time. And once he knows Cameron killed the girl that she becomes. Will he be willing to have her back on his side." The future adult "John Connor the leader" does not exist since the young John traveled in time, he never became the leader because he didn't "exist" during judgment day ect. Hope the show doesn't get canceled since I really like it end season finale was the best episode so far. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
macsimus	51. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 15 2009, 8:15 PM EDT "The future adult "John Connor the leader" does not exist since the young John traveled in time, he never became the leader because he didn't "exist" during judgment day ect. Hope the show doesn't get canceled since I really like it end season finale was the best episode so far. " That's not true necessarily. The future John Connor may experience many things. 1) He may return for judgment day; or 2) the future John Connor may be this John Connor. The notion that the time continuum is violated doesn't make sense. In order for him to exist now, he HAS to send her back and has to be the same John Connor. It's a part of the contradiction of time travel. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
T8xx	52. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 22 2009, 8:16 PM EDT 1 - Derek was in the water terminator's way,so he got shot in the head 2 - Samantha Weaver was this term's target and John,Sarah,Cameron and Darek went there to save her,because possibly she IS a valuable member in the resistence 3 - Cameron being skynet...well,if i was a term like Cameron suposed to protect him/her i would play my role for him/her to lower his/her guard and would simply kill him/her in the first opportunity 4 - "Will you join us?" was the question future John asked to one particular terminator party (would it be skynet?Not clear yet)!!Remember the "last voyage of jimmy carter" (today is the day pt.2) ep!!Catherine Weaver sent Elison to ask Cameron that very question in the season finale,which we can assume that CW is the machine who gave the answer to Jessie as no (maybe second thoughts over time after crossing and metting future John before she traveled back in time?) Plus...in the season finale,Cameron looks irritated (if we can say so) after James Elison asks her that question!!Camron also shuts the door closed when JH asks the same and draws the knife) 5 - John Henry (AKA the turk) Power failure resulting in Sherman's death!!How?The power goes out and John Henry drains most of the auxiliary power leading the whole building to go out and once the power comes back,guess what?Sherman is dead!!Cause of death: high temperatures and lack of air,so i would assume it was JH to kill sherman in an instinct for survival if i may say so!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
T8xx	53. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 22 2009, 8:18 PM EDT 6 - Cameron without the chip in desappearance of JH scene...has it come to your heads that maybe Cameron took John Henry's body by allowing him to remove her chip and JH with the body still attached to the computers performed the chip's installation in cromartie's body, according to Cameron's intructions to jump through time to the future (now this is a big jump i'm speculating) maybe to engage another terminator same model as Cameron to persuit her (now him,since Cameron's chip is supposed to be in cromartie's endo) to get a new endo somehow in order to "fix" her fisical damages (Riley saw the metal,didn't she?Terminators usually open themselves if they have fisical damage to their body or if a bullet is jamming their mechanisms)? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
T8xx	54. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 22 2009, 8:20 PM EDT Of course this is my answer to LQM (yes,i had to cut the last point because i wasn't able to post everything in the same reply...) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
sad_panda	55. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 22 2009, 8:41 PM EDT "I threw that out that Cameron using the computer at night might have been the other, she mentioned very matter of factly of hacking Dekara systems, "I don't sleep" She can and does hack." I am the only one that votes down notty22 just for the avatar? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
comicstop	56. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 22 2009, 10:31 PM EDT She did say that deep down inside she is "only designed to kill humans" in the last episode. However if John Henry stole her chip, then what happens? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mark70301	57. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 29 2009, 11:41 PM EDT Hi to everyone who is on this post board... its true Cameron was made to learn about humans but also she isn't skynet yet... She works for JH brother which is a part of skynet ... remember skynet is not hardware it is software ..... Cameron knew that she had to let JH see for himself his brother so what he did he knew that he needed Cameron to so he can find his brother but ... what happens is that with the information that Cameron had on her chip was so much she had to used a different body so she can see for herself .. who is skynet and how the war is forming ... you see in the movies and books and shows they always say it was the machines that went mad that wasn't true it was software ... which was made by a virus program with a AL database program interface from the terminator that went back to the future.. she help john conner because her son what she calls is part of something bigger then John Conner.. Ok going back to Cameron her chip has information to fixed the virus but what happens is that the first becomes more unstable to control and that is what skynet did... it made sure nothing could touch the virus and network lines.. so targeting it wouldn't work... it made sure that it was immoral... remember machines kill for a per pose not because they have too... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
leighlu	58. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 30 2009, 8:16 AM EDT I think since Cameron is a free thinker. Cameron is out to save her self. She likes John. I don't think she is a threat. Cameron went back because future John sent her away and she probably wants to know why. I would also like to know what that guy from the future that Jessie killed with Derek did to that computer. That is an unfinished story. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SummerDream	59. RE: Is Cameron the "Other"? Apr 30 2009, 8:32 AM EDT "Hi to everyone who is on this post board... its true Cameron was made to learn about humans but also she isn't skynet yet... She works for JH brother which is a part of skynet ..." Probably "deep inside" means, simplified, its in her rom, to kill humans but in ram she has the protect John program. In the future there is the technology to create another rom but it is in skynet's hands. The resistance reprogrammed her after she was caught but the reprogramming cannot affect those memory parts of the chip which has the kill humans program. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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