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ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 8 2009, 8:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 8:14 PM EDT
http://digg.com/d1oGIZ

This is the short article on EW.com:

"Look at J.J. Abrams using his fancy sci-fi connections.

After collaborating on his upcoming Star Trek reboot, Abrams has signed Leonard Nimoy to join the cast of his Fox baby, Fringe.

The 78-year-old Trek icon will play William Bell, Walter Bishop's former lab partner-turned-millionaire founder of Massive Dynamic.

"It was a delight to work with Mr. Nimoy on Star Trek," J.J. tells me. "The idea that he will play the mysterious, much-referenced William Bell is a thrill. I know I sound like a goofy fan boy, but I can't help it: Leonard is an icon of the genre and such a wonderful actor. To have him come on board Fringe is a mind-blowing honor."

The character is slated to debut in next month's season finale and then return in the fall for an extended arc.

Reaction? Is your inner fanboy on the verge of exploding? Already salivating at the prospect of Nimoy geeking out with John Noble? Stunt value aside, do you think Nimoy is right for the part?"

I alsway thought TSCC should have had Arnold and Hamilton and Patrick do PSA clips inviting people to watch the Terminator TV show. They don't have to endores it, just give some tidbit facts on the past 25 years.

I also think JF closed out a lot of powerful people that could have helped - like McG with T4/TSCC cross promotion - even on only a watch Terminator on TV + movies angle, since rights to the franchise are owned by same people. I think this was a huge mistake.

What's your "take?"
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Schmacky
Schmacky
1. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 8 2009, 8:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 8:21 PM EDT
"I alsway thought TSCC should have had Arnold and Hamilton and Patrick do PSA clips inviting people to watch the Terminator TV show. They don't have to endores it, just give some tidbit facts on the past 25 years.

I also think JF closed out a lot of powerful people that could have helped - like McG with T4/TSCC cross promotion - even on only a watch Terminator on TV + movies angle, since rights to the franchise are owned by same people. I think this was a huge mistake.

What's your "take?"
"
You've said this before and others have responded to you before...

He didn't close the door. They have said they wanted Arnie, but he wasn't available and they probably couldn't afford him anyway. And you act as if JF is the one that told McG "no, I don't want to work with you." What if it was the other way around? What if it was mutual?
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ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
2. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 8 2009, 8:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 8:27 PM EDT
"You've said this before and others have responded to you before...

He didn't close the door. They have said they wanted Arnie, but he wasn't available and they probably couldn't afford him anyway. And you act as if JF is the one that told McG "no, I don't want to work with you." What if it was the other way around? What if it was mutual? "
I recall a story about JF getting upset about finding McG having access to the TSCC writer's room, and went or a yelling spree ala' Bale.

That's what I based my opinion on (don't have a link for you or even remember where I heard/read this - but I did hear it from a couple of sources: couldn't vouch for reliability though)
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2ill4u
2ill4u
3. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 8 2009, 8:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 8:37 PM EDT
my "take" is that fringe is just about to get alot better. The show was great last night and Walter Bishop is possibly one of the coolest characters ever created. Do you find this valuable?    
ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
4. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 8 2009, 8:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 8:42 PM EDT
"my "take" is that fringe is just about to get alot better. The show was great last night and Walter Bishop is possibly one of the coolest characters ever created. "
Watching it now on Hulu. Buddy in office is a fan, so I told him about TSCC and he'll watch Friday. Every little bit helps!
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t5000
t5000
5. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 8 2009, 11:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 8 2009, 11:53 PM EDT
"You've said this before and others have responded to you before...

He didn't close the door. They have said they wanted Arnie, but he wasn't available and they probably couldn't afford him anyway. And you act as if JF is the one that told McG "no, I don't want to work with you." What if it was the other way around? What if it was mutual? "
mcg offered JF the T-4 script and he said he didnt want to read it, and didnt want to be influenced by it. and from things he has said it would seem he wanted no connection to the movie version.
also JF has said that he didnt want any previous T actors doing cameos on the show, as some 1 show character. I found this a little stupid.
I think they could have got michael beihn to do a part on this show if they tried.

o yeah I dont like fringe , but adding nimoy will boost the shows ratings and quality, I might even give it another try.
it would have helped in ratings area. and really this show should have considered having some things in common with the movie. for example for people who go see the movie, and they find out they can see the origin , or early days of a character here on tscc, that would boost tscc after tha movie comes out , but by being totally different and no sharing of ideas, it means tscc wont beneifit as much from the movie as it could have.
and thinking about it, I have to wonder why the tv show came on last year, it would have been smarter to wait and just now be airing S-1 of Tscc.
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kingsteve
kingsteve
6. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 5:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 5:22 PM EDT
"mcg offered JF the T-4 script and he said he didnt want to read it, and didnt want to be influenced by it. and from things he has said it would seem he wanted no connection to the movie version.
also JF has said that he didnt want any previous T actors doing cameos on the show, as some 1 show character. I found this a little stupid.
I think they could have got michael beihn to do a part on this show if they tried.

o yeah I dont like fringe , but adding nimoy will boost the shows ratings and quality, I might even give it another try.
it would have helped in ratings area. and really this show should have considered having some things in common with the movie. for example for people who go see the movie, and they find out they can see the origin , or early days of a character here on tscc, that would boost tscc after tha movie comes out , but by being totally different and no sharing of ideas, it means tscc wont beneifit as much from the movie as it could have.
and thinking about it, I have to wonder why the tv show came on last year, it would have been smarter to wait and just now be airing S-1 of Tscc. "
I would have liked to have seen the actor who played Silberman in the movies appear as Silberman in TSCC. I didn't like the Silberman they had for the show.

I'd rather the show be it's own show, than to tie in to the movies just for the sake of latching on to try and get a boost. It's originality is what makes it so great. I fully understand Josh not wanting to read the T4 script. I'd do the same in his shoes. It's MEANT to be different. If it fully tied in, then what would be the point of it?

As for why the show came on last year, because TSCC is it's own show, telling it's own story. Josh never intended it to tie into the post T2 movies, nor to piggyback off of them.
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_Motoki_
_Motoki_
7. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 5:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 5:33 PM EDT
I always thought it would be cool to have Arnie play a T posing as the governor of CA. ;-) Would he be friend like Uncle Bob or foe like the T-1 model? Interesting concept to play around with. Maybe he could even be at the dedication ceremony to the building Stark was working on.

I know there's practical issues with that but I have no problems with guest appearance from familiar faces. In some ways it's a gimmick sure, but all depends on how it's done.
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ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
8. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 5:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 5:36 PM EDT
I have mixed feelings about this, but really for me it comes down to being savvy in business - which JF has shown he is not. There is way to much at stake not to pull out ALL the stops: you can branch off on your own ONCE you have a hit show on your hands but IF you don't then you damn well better make sure you make one on your own.

JF acts like Terminator doesn't come with 25 - that's two and a half decades - of baggage. He really should have made his own show and had nothing to do with Terminator bc he does a lot of things that make me believe he really didn't want to do Terminator other than it's be a cool good paying gig and he figured what the hell throw in a little sci fi and some robots every now and then over what he really wanted to do and who could speak against him> HE was in charge!

I think he underestimated the fan following Terminator has. Basically, the story T5000 said means he thumbed his nose at anything existing that was Terminator, as if it didn't matter - which we know from a promotional stand point is foolish - and now he is out on a limb by himself with no help from the big guns he ALREADY had in his holster and threw away.

Lesson: don't act like your better than a $1 billion franchise when you have NO track record with it.
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notty22
notty22
9. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 5:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 5:46 PM EDT
That story about McG being in the writers rooms where the story boards were is correct, JF wasn't happy. I also agree fans like tie ins or nods. Even very small ones, they can be almost subliminal, but some catch them and this is all that fan needs to become a greater fan. Maybe help bring in more fans. Actors like to do this, there was movie that Mel Gibson did a couple of years before The Patriot was released but the dialogue in this other movie was directed toward the Gibson character "someday you are gonna be a HELL of a Patriot" was it coincidence who knows , but I think not.; Do you find this valuable?    
_Motoki_
_Motoki_
10. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 5:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 5:48 PM EDT
"I think he underestimated the fan following Terminator has. Basically, the story T5000 said means he thumbed his nose at anything existing that was Terminator, as if it didn't matter - which we know from a promotional stand point is foolish - and now he is out on a limb by himself with no help from the big guns he ALREADY had in his holster and threw away."
Well in some sense I get the impression that he's worried about being influenced by other stories and being derivative. Not just of other Terminator stories but even other similar science fiction stories. He's said he avoided watching recent seasons of BSG because he didn't want to be influenced by it and end up doing what they were doing.

I can understand that. I write some myself, just as an amateur, but I sometimes find myself going okay that's like Terminator and that's like Blade Runner, that's like Fifth Element, that's like Battlestar Galactica, that's like Metropolis, or that's like various anime sci-fi I've watched and I find myself being derivative without even consciously trying to be so. But we're all influenced by what we see. So I think it's a genuine concern.

On the other hand though, his show IS derivative. It's built on an existing foundation. WB obviously wants the new movie to succeed and the old ones have a definite following. I feel like closer ties to them can only help the show. They don't necessarily have to mean being TOO close to them, it's a fine line to walk.
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BattleJuice
BattleJuice
11. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 5:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 5:49 PM EDT
It's always been my belief that FOX doesn't really care for this show.

My only proof is evidenced in the timeslots and weak advertising campaigns.

Though, I'd probably change my mind if we actually get a S3. If not, I don't see being convinced otherwise.
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Meat_Cutter
Meat_Cutter
12. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 5:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 5:52 PM EDT
"http://digg.com/d1oGIZ

This is the short article on EW.com:

"Look at J.J. Abrams using his fancy sci-fi connections.

After collaborating on his upcoming Star Trek reboot, Abrams has signed Leonard Nimoy to join the cast of his Fox baby, Fringe.

The 78-year-old Trek icon will play William Bell, Walter Bishop's former lab partner-turned-millionaire founder of Massive Dynamic.

"It was a delight to work with Mr. Nimoy on Star Trek," J.J. tells me. "The idea that he will play the mysterious, much-referenced William Bell is a thrill. I know I sound like a goofy fan boy, but I can't help it: Leonard is an icon of the genre and such a wonderful actor. To have him come on board Fringe is a mind-blowing honor."

The character is slated to debut in next month's season finale and then return in the fall for an extended arc.

Reaction? Is your inner fanboy on the verge of exploding? Already salivating at the prospect of Nimoy geeking out with John Noble? Stunt value aside, do you think Nimoy is right for the part?"

I alsway thought TSCC should have had Arnold and Hamilton and Patrick do PSA clips inviting people to watch the Terminator TV show. They don't have to endores it, just give some tidbit facts on the past 25 years.

I also think JF closed out a lot of powerful people that could have helped - like McG with T4/TSCC cross promotion - even on only a watch Terminator on TV + movies angle, since rights to the franchise are owned by same people. I think this was a huge mistake.

What's your "take?"
"
While I agree with you that it would be nice if such a thing could have happened, was it ever realistic? To the best of my knowledge, Friedman isn't even responsible for the promotion of the show. That would be FOX's department.

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SAHLINROB
13. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 7:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 7:19 PM EDT
Arnold being the "hot shot" governor of Ca. I'm sure has more "important" things to do than publicity stunts for TV shows. He's moved on to "better things". Do you find this valuable?    
ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
14. RE: OT:Fringe adding Nimoy to bost ratings: why didn't TSCC do this?
Apr 9 2009, 8:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 9 2009, 8:00 PM EDT
"Arnold being the "hot shot" governor of Ca. I'm sure has more "important" things to do than publicity stunts for TV shows. He's moved on to "better things".

And Battle, I think fox stopped advertsing bc they lost faith in JF presenting a show that matched with what they thought they'd baught. I'm sure they didn't okay millions to be spent on three eps of crazy Sarah emo introberted melodrama. But I don't have any proof of this other than the commercials they did make, and the images and photos on their web pages and what they released for public viewing.

I think JF sprung the emo eps on them and they had no choice but to run them: their promo was already long ago developed from what had come down the line when they signed up to run the show.

We can see that was scary robot Cam shooting, crazy Sarah loading her guns, defending, attacking...action, adventure. That's a lot of what we are getting now, but I don't know if it isn't too late to make a difference."
Actually, it was recently announced he involved in some way with the Term Salv movie. And he's doing a movie in Rio with Sly and Latham and Jet Li called "The Expendables."
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