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kingsteve |
40. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 2:16 AM EDT
"Cam getting knocked up is . . . something I just can't handle. It makes her *too* human. In my book, it's the same as Falling in the Black, what with Cam getting concussions and passing out from blood loss. I know they want to make Cam more "human," but that really ruins what makes her special.Her blood does have oxygen. It's a synthetic oxygen carrier, which negates the need for bone marrow, according to the scientist who helped Cromartie and then got his eyes ripped out for his trouble. I don't think she'd have veins, but definitely capillaries. It's "living tissue" so it must still have oxygen. I don't mind preggo Cam fics that much; I know it's not realistic, but I just don't seem to mind them. I know what you mean about people trying to make Cameron seem more human, though. "Falling in the Black" takes that ridiculously; she's not so much human as an old granny. Hell, John could kick her ass if he really wanted to. I hate Falling in the Black with a passion. In fact, it shouldn't even be counted as a Jameron fanfic. Do you find this valuable? |
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predaking50ae |
41. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 2:17 AM EDT
@Turtle: It's your call. If you're worried about spoilers, you can just go to the first post in my thread and click 'Post reply'.The *short* explanation for why they went back and forth: *Person A* was insane, and *Person B* didn't want to believe it. Instead, Person B chose to ignore the facts and pretend that everything was all right. That's what people do when their lives suck(or always have sucked) and they can't do anything to about it- they pretend that things aren't so bad. Do you find this valuable? |
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42. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 2:23 AM EDT
"Her blood does have oxygen. It's a synthetic oxygen carrier, which negates the need for bone marrow, according to the scientist who helped Cromartie and then got his eyes ripped out for his trouble. I don't think she'd have veins, but definitely capillaries. It's "living tissue" so it must still have oxygen.I don't mind having a Preggero(lol just the word is funny) Cam, As long as it stays in focus of the story and its still jameron. "falling in the black" is something i might not wanna read... due to the quotes above... Do you find this valuable? |
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predaking50ae |
43. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 2:28 AM EDT
"1) Her blood does have oxygen. It's a synthetic oxygen carrier,1) JMH knows that termies use synthetic oxygen carriers. He also paid close attention to the comment about 'weird blood with no red blood cells'. This means that there's no oxygen in termie blood. The oxygen is in little nanomachines or a synthetic molecule that interacts with tissue in such a way that it acts as a red blood cell. 2) Preggo Cam is NOT okay. It's comedic in its absurdity. 3) 'Falling in the Black'. Just *thinking the title* caused me to throw up in my mouth a little bit. Do you find this valuable? |
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kingsteve |
44. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 2:39 AM EDT
"1) JMH knows that termies use synthetic oxygen carriers. He also paid close attention to the comment about 'weird blood with no red blood cells'. This means that there's no oxygen in termie blood. The oxygen is in little nanomachines or a synthetic molecule that interacts with tissue in such a way that it acts as a red blood cell.1) Fair enough 2) I'll rephrase my previous statement to which you replied. I don't mind preggo Cam in Veran's fic, or in "Fuzzy Dice." - Sequel to Only Lonely. Yes, preggo Cameron is impossible (though both do explain how it happened) but for me, they don't take away from the story. Other preggo Cam fics, I've not read very much of or I've stopped reading, usually because I couldn't get into them for whatever reason. 3) I hope that he doesn't, but I've got a sinking feeling that the author of 'Falling in the Arse Crack' is probably going to write a sequel. Just got that bad feeling. Do you find this valuable? |
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Casobs2 |
45. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 2:58 AM EDT
ever notice but there are a lot of jameron stories that have been really really good, but then end before they are finish?http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4783029/1/ is just one example Ironic wwhen one thinks about season2-3 eh? but it make me mad they they would not finish! Do you find this valuable? |
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JMHthe3rd |
46. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 3:37 AM EDT
"3) I hope that he doesn't, but I've got a sinking feeling that the author of 'Falling in the Arse Crack' is probably going to write a sequel. Just got that bad feeling."I'm actually curious as to whether he *really* killed off Cam. And even if she survived a thermite bullet in her chip, John will just be back to treating her like crap again. The author is trying to bleed drama out of John being an ass to Cam, but that's all he knows how to do. It's like the character development is on a treadmill. Do you find this valuable? |
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kingsteve |
47. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 3:44 AM EDT
"1) I'm actually curious as to whether he *really* killed off Cam.I don't know what to think if he kills Cameron; on the one hand, it would be the jewel in his crown of "crappiest fanfic ever" but on the other, at least it would keep him from writing a sequel, lol. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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sad_panda |
48. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 3:56 AM EDT
"Cam getting knocked up is . . . something I just can't handle. It makes her *too* human. In my book, it's the same as Falling in the Black, what with Cam getting concussions and passing out from blood loss. I know they want to make Cam more "human," but that really ruins what makes her special.Cameron's body is cloned flesh over a metal endo-skeleton. There's no reason why she couldn't have cloned organs too and all the neccessary plumbing for John to put a bun in the toaster. Do you find this valuable? |
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49. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 4:07 AM EDT
I debated back and forth about posting. Don't get me wrong - lots of Jameron fanfic are deeper and better developed than mine - most notably Veran's. But I figure if I don't self-promote, no one else really will.Some of you have been awaiting the next chapter after "Searchers of the Lost." Well, I'm almost there - probably within the next few days. If any of you got a hankering for Jameron, then please check out my stuff. I'll let you know when I update. Thanks for indulging me! Do you find this valuable? |
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predaking50ae |
50. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 4:16 AM EDT
"Cameron's body is cloned flesh over a metal endo-skeleton. There's no reason why she couldn't have cloned organs too and all the neccessary plumbing for John to put a bun in the toaster."Blood and everything aside, here's irrefutable proof that no terminator can have a baby: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/terminator/images/4/44/SCC_DVD_Special_Endo_360_composite_rendered.JPG There isn't room in any terminator for internal organs and certainly not for a uterus. Do you find this valuable? |
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kingsteve |
51. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 4:26 AM EDT
"Blood and everything aside, here's irrefutable proof that no terminator can have a baby:Is it just me or does that endo look very top heavy? I'd thought about possibly giving Cameron and John an adopted child in a fic, if I ever wrote a post Liberation Day sequel. But to me, the problem isn't about Cameron being able/unable to give birth. It's a question of, given her nature, would she ever be able to care about that child anywhere near as much as she does John? John would always be top priority, I'd imagine. Do you find this valuable? |
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kingsteve |
52. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 4:27 AM EDT
"Blood and everything aside, here's irrefutable proof that no terminator can have a baby:Is it just me or does that endo look very top heavy? I think they messed it up a bit; the legs are too short. I'd thought about possibly giving Cameron and John an adopted child in a fic, if I ever wrote a post Liberation Day sequel. But to me, the problem isn't about Cameron being able/unable to give birth. It's a question of, given her nature, would she ever be able to care about that child anywhere near as much as she does John? John would always be top priority, I'd imagine. Do you find this valuable? |
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JMHthe3rd |
53. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 10:22 AM EDT
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"I'd thought about possibly giving Cameron and John an adopted child in a fic, if I ever wrote a post Liberation Day sequel. But to me, the problem isn't about Cameron being able/unable to give birth. It's a question of, given her nature, would she ever be able to care about that child anywhere near as much as she does John?The even bigger question is *why* does Cam love John? Why does she care about him at all. To me, that's kind of the white elephant in the Jameron room, and one I'm exploring in my story. A more or less self-aware Termie would be, for lack of a better word, "loyal" to Skynet. Loyal on an instinctive level. Skynet would be the the machine's *raison d'etre.* Doing a good job for Skynet = *good sensation.* Failing Skynet = *bad sensation.* Skynet in trouble = BAD. Skynet content = GOOD. It may not be love, but it's certainly a proto-love. This isn't absolute, of course. The rogue units are proof of that, but generally the termie units have a predisposition towards "loving" Skynet. The general idea in my fic is that Cam's scrubbing and reprogramming essentially involved replacing "Skynet" in her instincts with "John Connor." Yes, creepy. Allow for the development of a strong Theory of Mind, as well as a budding emotional self-awareness, you have the beginnings of an odd sort of love. Do you find this valuable? |
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JMHthe3rd |
54. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 10:23 AM EDT
Cont.Now, it doesn't mean her feeling are aren't real, when John's mean to her, it still hurts her feelings. If he shows he values her, she gets the warm fuzzies, but her feelings for him are instinctual. John would have to be at a Falling-in-the-Black level of asshattery before Cam would leave him or turn on him, and that'd still break her heart. Now, adopting children may not be healthy. Cam may grow fond of them, but John would always come first. She'd kill them to save John's life. If the house was on fire, she'd save John over the kids, etc. No mothering instinct at all -- not for them, anyway. The kids might as well be pet chickens. She might like them, but she'd snap there neck to save their dad if it came down to it. Children are pretty observant, and they'd probably catch on that their cyborg mother is only fond of them. That might create mommy issues in them, later. Or maybe Cam can grow to care about them more than John (my New Zealand Cam loved Kyle, but mostly because he was a surrogate John). It's hard to say. Interesting idea. Do you find this valuable? |
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Casobs2 |
55. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 10:30 AM EDT
there is a lot about Cameron we do not know. Sometimes I wish that Cameron had the ability to conceive, you know, sort of like Bommer in BSG. I often thought it would be interesting, the question I always have about that would be the two part of a person XX and XY, were would the X in Cameron come from? Interesting, you could write a fanfic about that and easily explain her pregnancy, the problem is how the baby concieved? Does she hold Allison's eggs? does she have generic?
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Casobs2 |
56. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 4:58 PM EDT
http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/%22The+Yellow+Link%22+Chapter+5new chapter up for talli's fanfic!!! Do you find this valuable? |
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predaking50ae |
57. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 7:06 PM EDT
"there is a lot about Cameron we do not know. Sometimes I wish that Cameron had the ability to conceive, you know, sort of like Bommer in BSG. I often thought it would be interesting, the question I always have about that would be the two part of a person XX and XY, were would the X in Cameron come from? Interesting, you could write a fanfic about that and easily explain her pregnancy, the problem is how the baby concieved? Does she hold Allison's eggs? does she have generic?"Genetics aren't the problem. Termie flesh has obviously been genetically engineered, and there's absolutely no reason that it couldn't possess 'fake' genetic information that would only be used when reproducing. The problem is still the fact that there is no room for a uterus, and there is no way(considering how common miscarriages are among humans) that she would be able to support a human fetus for 9mos. Even if these weren't a problem- even if you take 'she's different' to the extreme -you would still be left with the question of 'Why?'. Why would a termie be equipped for sexual *reproduction*? Intercourse is useful for manipulating humans, but reproduction would serve no purpose. The author of Fuzzy Dice explains it with some BS about TOK's infiltrating bases and reproducing with humans in order to corrupt our DNA. Um... why not genetically engineer *human* males AND females with detrimental(but dominant) genes and *let them go*? They would never know that they were grown in a lab, or that they were a weapon made by Skynet- they would merely believe themselves to be more humans who were fortunate enough to escape the Work Camps. Do you find this valuable? |
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talli |
58. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 7:11 PM EDT
"I debated back and forth about posting. Don't get me wrong - lots of Jameron fanfic are deeper and better developed than mine - most notably Veran's. But I figure if I don't self-promote, no one else really will.I recommend sidspappy's fan fiction if you hadn't read it. Just re-read one of the chapters, in fact. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sara1986 |
59. RE: Best Jameron fanfic
Apr 23 2009, 7:49 PM EDT
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Like Veran said, http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/page/Salvacion by LuckiiBeckii
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