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R.Daneel_Olivaw
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740. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Pa
Sep 14 2009, 4:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 14 2009, 4:15 AM EDT
"I'm a cheater; only 1 AM here!"
You must be as far west as you can get without getting wet.

Well this time I really do mean g'nite.

Btw, i liked mike 70054's suggestion of brighter futures inc.!
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cp442
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741. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Pa
Sep 14 2009, 4:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 14 2009, 4:15 AM EDT
"You must be as far west as you can get without getting wet.

Well this time I really do mean g'nite.

Btw, i liked mike 70054's suggestion of brighter futures inc.!"
I'll keep mike's idea in mind, and g'night for real!
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IvyMike
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742. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Pa
Sep 14 2009, 5:56 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 14 2009, 5:56 AM EDT
"I think they're cool, every one identifies at some level, who hasn't dreamed of being a juggernaught?

I used to love stories where AIs had expanded consiousness, extra senses. The ability to percieve beyond human senses without having to buy stuff in the parking lot at a phish concert."
If you have the lenses of your eyes removed you'll be able to see in to the UV spectrum.

http://starklab.slu.edu/humanUV.htm
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ScotWithOne_t
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743. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Sep 14 2009, 8:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 14 2009, 8:35 AM EDT
"Because you if anyone is worth answering...
In my case I have no problem with robots or AI being considered sentient, persons, equal or even superior. I have accepted that in many fictions. But each fiction has its basic level of technology, its flavor and character. In T2, a machine designed for a single purpose, began to understand human motivations. In the grand dramatic finale, he admitted to understanding emotions without being able to experience them fully.

To go from that to having a similar machine become a fully functional romantic companion for a human is too big of a leap. My problem with this is not a desperate wish to disbelieve, but quite the opposite. The 'magic' that you find so wondrous stretches my ability to believe to the breaking point,

Had the writers given us a little more to go on to back up the complexity of the newer models, it might sweeten the concept enough that I could swallow it. As it is, it strikes me that they are being a little lazy about it, and asking my imagination to take up their slack.

What seems like a polar opposite is actually just a fine line of how hard you like the science in your fiction. The rest of the factional dynamic is due to aggression, defensive mechanisms and the gregarious humans propensity for mob mentality. We are all guilty of it to some degree. Except for that one guy who is perfect, you know who you are."
RDO for president!
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cp442
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744. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:21 PM EDT
cp442's Pointless Boredom-Induced Excerpt of the Day:

The following excerpt is from the Blithedale Romance, by Nathaniel Hawthorne. This particular extract involves the story of the Veiled Lady, a mysterious main attraction of a local magic show. Theodore is a young man who is highly skeptical of the Veiled Lady’s supposedly supernatural qualities; on a bet, he decides to sneak into the Lady’s room after the show, in order to discover her true nature.

‘[…] Some upheld that the veil covered the most beautiful countenance in the world; others – and certainly with more reason, considering the sex of the Veiled Lady – that the face was the most hideous and horrible, and that this was her sole motive for hiding it. It was the face of a corpse; it was the head of a skeleton; it was a monstrous visage, with snaky locks, like Medusa’s, and one great red eye in the centre of the forehead.

[Or, it was also proposed] that there was no single and unchangeable set of features beneath the veil; but that whosoever should be bold enough to lift it would behold the features of that person, in all the world, who was destined to be his fate; perhaps he would be greeted by the tender smile of the woman whom he loved, or, quite as probably, the deadly scowl of his bitterest enemy would throw a blight over his life. […]

[After the Veiled Lady’s performance, Theodore awaits her return in her room; he observes her entrance while hiding.]

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cp442
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745. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:23 PM EDT

[…] Very strange, it must be confessed, was the movement with which the figure floated to and fro over the carpet, with silvery veil covering her from head to foot; so impalpable, so ethereal, so without substance, as the texture seemed, yet hiding her every outline in an impenetrability like that of midnight. Surely, she did not walk! She floated, and flitted, and hovered about the room; no sound of footsteps, no perceptible motion of a limb; it was as if a wandering breeze wafted her before it […]

[Somehow, the Veiled Lady is alerted to Theodore’s presence; she confronts him in his hiding place.]

“Thou art here!” said a soft, low voice. “Come forth, Theodore!”

Thus summoned by his name, Theodore, as a man of courage, had no choice. He emerged from his concealment, and presented himself before the Veiled Lady, with the wine-flush, it may be, quite gone from his cheeks.

“What wouldst thou with me?” she inquired, with the same gentle composure that was in her former utterance.

“Mysterious creature,” replied Theodore, “I would [wish to] know who and what you are!”

“My lips are forbidden to betray the secret,” said the Veiled Lady.

“At whatever risk, I must discover it,” rejoined Theodore.

“Then,” said the Mystery, “there is no way save to lift my veil.”

And Theodore, partly recovering his audacity, stept forward on the instant, to do as the Veiled Lady had suggested. But she floated backward to the opposite side of the room […]

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746. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:22 PM EDT

“Pause, one little instant,” said the soft, low voice, “and learn of the conditions of what thou art so bold to undertake. Thou canst go hence, and think of me no more; or, at thy option, thou canst lift this mysterious veil, beneath which I am a sad and lonely prisoner, in a bondage which is worse to me than death. But, before raising it, I entreat thee, in all maiden modesty, to bend forward and impress a kiss where my breath stirs the veil; and my virgin lips shall come forward to meet thy lips; and from that instant, Theodore, thou shalt be mine, and I thine, with never more a veil between us. And all the felicity of the earth and the future world shall be thine and mine together. So may a maiden say behind the veil. If thou shrinkest from this, there is another way.”

“And what is that?” asked Theodore.

“Dost thou hesitate,” said the Veiled Lady, “to pledge thyself to me, by meeting these lips of mine, while the veil yet hides my face? Has not thy heart recognized me? Dost thou come hither, not in holy faith, nor with a pure and generous purpose, but with scornful skepticism and idle curiosity? Still, thou mayest lift the veil! But, from that instant, Theodore, I am doomed to be thy evil fate; nor wilt thou ever taste another breath of happiness!”


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747. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:23 PM EDT

There was a shade of inexpressible sadness in the utterance of these last words. But Theodore, whose natural tendency was towards skepticism, felt himself almost injured and insulted by the Veiled Lady’s proposal that he should pledge himself, for life and eternity, to so questionable a creature as herself; or even that she should suggest an inconsequential kiss, taking into view the probability that her face was none of the most bewitching. A delightful idea, truly, that he should salute the lips of a dead girl, or the jaws of a skeleton, or the grinning cavity of a monster’s mouth! Even should she prove a comely maiden enough in other respects, the odds were ten to one that her teeth were defective; a terrible drawback in the delectableness of a kiss.

“Excuse me, fair lady,” said Theodore – and I think he nearly burst into a laugh – “if I prefer to lift the veil first; and for this affair of the kiss, we may decide upon it afterwards.”

“Thou hast made thy choice,” said the sweet, sad voice behind the veil; and there seemed to be a tender but unresentful sense of wrong done to womanhood by the young man’s contemptuous interpretation of her offer. “I must not counsel thee to pause, although thy fate is still in thine own hand!”

Grasping at the veil, he flung it upward, and caught a glimpse of a pale, lovely face beneath; just one momentary glimpse, and then the apparition vanished, and the silvery veil fluttered slowly down to lay upon the floor. Theodore was alone.’


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cp442
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748. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:44 PM EDT
The above story was the inspiration for this old microfic of mine; it takes place after Born to Run, in a future where John has not yet discovered Cameron's whereabouts.

-Juno 7, say again.

-Perimeter is clear, repeat, clear.

-Copy. Making my approach now. Radio silent.

John’s head popped above his refuse-piled parapet like a gopher and scanned the horizon; the pre-dawn light steadily increased as the minutes passed, but was still confined to a dismal glow, heavily diluted by atmospheric dust. No movement could be seen.

Within a few seconds, he went over the top and out into no-man’s land; he was a dim blur amidst a stagnant sea of brown dirt and islands of grey debris. His speed was so great, he didn’t notice the tripwire that snapped beneath his heel as he entered a deep culvert; a small aquifer ran athwart the trench near its middle, and turned the dirt into dense mud for a wide swathe. John was forced to slow his pace and wade through the knee-high morass. Suddenly, a faint shadow was cast before John, from the lip of the culvert above; he turned to face it, but was too late. Something leapt down, wrapped its arms about him, and drove him deeply into the mud. The earth shook in four successive waves, and then he was pulled up by his arms; his rifle was left in the mire.

The figure before him was caked in wet clay; he couldn’t tell who, or what, it was. It gingerly wiped the grime from around his eyes and mouth with gloved fingers, and then spoke.

-John, I’m so sorry; I didn’t hurt you, did I?

Though her features were obscured, he finally recognized her by voice, and sighed with relief.

-Allison, thank God it’s you. I thought I was jumped by a scavenger bot or something.

-You tripped a set of mines, you know. I had to dive like that to beat the blast.


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749. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:45 PM EDT
John was stupefied at the notion of his death being so imminent. –I don’t understand… my…

-Mine detector didn’t signal you? These are anti-personnel glass mines; they don’t give off any readings. I’m disappointed with you, John; you should have known that a ditch of any kind will likely be mined. Any place people can hide will be mined.

-I… didn’t know they used glass mines. I don’t really have much field experience.

-Skynet’s only recently rediscovered their efficacy, actually. You should be more mindful of traps in general, be they conventional or otherwise. Now, we’ve stayed here too long already; we should leave at once.

She turned and was about to take John with her, by the hand, when a woman’s voice rang out above them.

-Hold it! Identify yourself!

John could hardly believe what he saw; Allison was standing on the culvert’s edge, plasma rifle in hand. Before he could speak, the mud-clad figure did instead; but in an entirely different voice than before.

-Stand down, soldier. Return to base immediately. Today’s assignment has been changed, for classified reasons. The private is coming with me; that’s all you need to know.

Allison ignored her officious attitude. –John, who is this? What’s going on?

-Don’t worry, just rejoin the others. Please.

-But this doesn’t make sense! New orders aren’t given in the middle of-

-Allison, please! I know what I’m doing.

-I outrank you, John. I’m not letting you out of my sight without a much better explanation.

The figure interjected. –It’s classified. John has volunteered for a special mission. Be on your way, corporal, or else there will be deleterious ramifications. Am I understood?
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750. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:45 PM EDT
Allison leveled her rifle at the head of the figure. –Officers don’t speak to subordinates with threats. You’re Metal if I’ve ever seen one.

The figure spun John around in front of itself the moment Allison’s rifle shifted; it slowly backed away, keeping John between itself and Allison. After getting out of the culvert, it deftly hoisted John over its shoulder, and bolted into the wastes at nearly forty miles an hour. Allison tried to take a shot, but was hesitant with John being so close.

After about an hour of constant running, John was taken into a small and unused bunker. The figure lowered him to a dusty recliner, and sat before him on a folding chair. It resumed speaking with its former voice, that of Allison’s.

-Again, I’m sorry for everything. Truly, everything. Can you forgive me?

-Of course I forgive you, Cameron…


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751. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:45 PM EDT
-I am not the Cameron you knew. Not entirely. I no longer have any trace of Skynet programming, for one. But there are other changes.

He stood suddenly and reached out to embrace her; she returned it, and clutched him tightly.

-Do you still love me, John?

-You know I do.

-What about her? I know you’ve spent much time together.

-I think she might care for me, but I can’t match her feelings.

-Even after all that has happened, and all the ways I’ve changed, I still love you, John. In whatever ways I can, I do. I want you to know that.

He pulled away, and sought to look into her eyes. She turned her face from his.

-John, wait. I need for you to do something. Promise me that you’ll love me, no matter what has happened, or ever will. It would mean everything to me.

-I do, Cameron, I do! I don’t know why you need this assurance, but I’ll give it to you. I swear, I’ll always love you.

She gently pushed John away, and stood up. –Will you take my hand? As a symbolic gesture?

He nodded in assent, and reached his hand out to hers.

She pulled off one of her gloves; a steely skeletal hand was all that remained.


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752. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 9:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 9:55 PM EDT

So... relating to the first story, would you lift the veil before or after the kiss? Or not at all?


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R.Daneel_Olivaw
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753. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 10:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 10:12 PM EDT
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So... relating to the first story, would you lift the veil before or after the kiss? Or not at all?


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Would it be brave or timid to do so?

Given how fantastic my imagination can be, I may opt for not at all.
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754. RE: The Official Anti Pro JamerElliWeaveRileJessSaraJohnHenrAllison Page
Oct 7 2009, 10:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 7 2009, 10:16 PM EDT
"Would it be brave or timid to do so?

Given how fantastic my imagination can be, I may opt for not at all."
I don't see bravery or timidity in the decision, so much as faith or skepticism.

I might be inclined to suspend logic, and kiss before the veil was lifted.
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