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ThunderSoul97
Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 1:47 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 1:47 AM EDT
Hey guys, I'm wondering what you think of the last moments of season 2's ending? If John and Sarah were alone in the same room, and John was in a time machine bubble, Sarah would either clutch to him or pull him out of there. Now imagine there is a liquid terminator in that bubble, one that was called a "bitch" by Sarah, one that Sarah doesn't know (recall that Sarah hates machines and doesn't trust them), and John is standing in the bubble with that liquid terminator. Now, wouldn't Sarah pull out every gun she had and shoot at the terminator and pull her son out of the bubble, or would she back away like a scared rat saying "no, no, no"? I mean, even in the episode, the agent kept saying these 2 are inseparable. Yet in the biggest moment where they shouldn't be separated, Sarah backs out and lets John go alone with a stranger liquid terminator... I think this is too much of a bullshit to save the show? They are tainting the very foundations of the original Terminator movies. Not to mention that no matter what, John is the leader of the Resistance, which no body even knows about him at the end of season 2...
Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back! 1  out of 12 found this valuable. Do you?    
honestfaker
honestfaker
1. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 2:04 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 2:04 AM EDT
Yes, first to reply!

I agree, to a point. Sarah didn't wanna go into the future for her own reasons. But why she let John go is only partly explained. She must've understood, to a point, that he was seriously attached to Cameron, and that it was important to him to save her chip. But I would have thought she'd just pull him back out and say, Metal, no freaking way are you going to the future. On the other hand, John was totally convinced that Sarah was going with him, and I think after the episode where she kept hallucinating about Kyle, and Derek or someone was telling her the next episode, to let him go, that she really didn't wanna be around Kyle.

And seriously, you don't want to find out why that all happened the way it did? I think you shouldn't be saying Good riddance, especially since we fans are campaigning very hard to keep the show. If you don't like the ending, then don't continue to the watch the series if it does continue. It is after all, Josh Friedman's account of how John got to be the resistance leader. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Last_Stand
2. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 2:11 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 2:11 AM EDT
"Is this series going the wrong way?"
No, it's not.
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mshig11
mshig11
3. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 3:48 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 3:48 AM EDT
"Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back!"
wrong forum lol :P 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
mannymore
mannymore
4. Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 4:52 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 4:52 AM EDT
"Hey guys, I'm wondering what you think of the last moments of season 2's ending? If John and Sarah were alone in the same room, and John was in a time machine bubble, Sarah would either clutch to him or pull him out of there. Now imagine there is a liquid terminator in that bubble, one that was called a "bitch" by Sarah, one that Sarah doesn't know (recall that Sarah hates machines and doesn't trust them), and John is standing in the bubble with that liquid terminator. Now, wouldn't Sarah pull out every gun she had and shoot at the terminator and pull her son out of the bubble, or would she back away like a scared rat saying "no, no, no"? I mean, even in the episode, the agent kept saying these 2 are inseparable. Yet in the biggest moment where they shouldn't be separated, Sarah backs out and lets John go alone with a stranger liquid terminator... I think this is too much of a bullshit to save the show? They are tainting the very foundations of the original Terminator movies. Not to mention that no matter what, John is the leader of the Resistance, which no body even knows about him at the end of season 2...
Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back!"
If you had been watching closely the last few episodes you would realise that John has hardened his charactor,most of the people around him are dead or dying (Sarah possibly). Cameron is the only constant he has. He can't lose her, it's pure emotion.
Sarah I think is shell shocked it's a big moment, it is happening too fast, she realises the bond John has with Cameron and if she is ill, a clear choice.
The plotline has to change and Josh did say that this episode would be the end of this seasons main story, a sort of chapter ending but, hopefully not the series !!. 5  out of 6 found this valuable. Do you?    
Accept
Accept
5. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 5:34 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 5:34 AM EDT
"Hey guys, I'm wondering what you think of the last moments of season 2's ending? If John and Sarah were alone in the same room, and John was in a time machine bubble, Sarah would either clutch to him or pull him out of there. Now imagine there is a liquid terminator in that bubble, one that was called a "bitch" by Sarah, one that Sarah doesn't know (recall that Sarah hates machines and doesn't trust them), and John is standing in the bubble with that liquid terminator. Now, wouldn't Sarah pull out every gun she had and shoot at the terminator and pull her son out of the bubble, or would she back away like a scared rat saying "no, no, no"? I mean, even in the episode, the agent kept saying these 2 are inseparable. Yet in the biggest moment where they shouldn't be separated, Sarah backs out and lets John go alone with a stranger liquid terminator... I think this is too much of a bullshit to save the show? They are tainting the very foundations of the original Terminator movies. Not to mention that no matter what, John is the leader of the Resistance, which no body even knows about him at the end of season 2...
Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back!"
I agree with the OP's recounting of what happened mostly but I think JF just blew up every character because he DID know they were taking his show away. He separates Camerons chip from her body, both are who knows where. has Weaver say she's devoted to Savannah the quips about her being at gymnastics and asks Elison to go get their child John Henry ! The whole mess seems almost like it was done out of spite. John Connor useless and unknown in a future. 1  out of 10 found this valuable. Do you?    

tscchope
6. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 8:38 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 8:38 AM EDT
Weaver: Your John may save the world, but he can't do it without my John
John knows he needs Cameron

ThunderSoul97 -Good Riddance .. to you
Accept, you really don't know what you're talking about. Stick to Dollhouse 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
cyborg_fiend
cyborg_fiend
7. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 8:53 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 8:53 AM EDT
"If you had been watching closely the last few episodes you would realise that John has hardened his charactor,most of the people around him are dead or dying (Sarah possibly). Cameron is the only constant he has. He can't lose her, it's pure emotion.
Sarah I think is shell shocked it's a big moment, it is happening too fast, she realises the bond John has with Cameron and if she is ill, a clear choice.
The plotline has to change and Josh did say that this episode would be the end of this seasons main story, a sort of chapter ending but, hopefully not the series !!."
Ditto, well said. I don't think by changing the relationship slightly it is putting the show down the hole..it makes it more interesting. I also think that Sarah realizes the "bond" between Cameron and John and knows that she keeps him safe. She realizes she might not be here much longer. In essence, I think she did it for him

Oh and to Accept- I don't think of John as being "useless" in that unknown future. His potential still hasn't been unleashed. He still needs to grow and show them who he is. It's the beginning, not the end ;) 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
NordWest
NordWest
8. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 9:29 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 9:29 AM EDT
If the show is going to get canceled, then it is going the wrong way. Until we find out this, you better not care about the rest. I at least see little reason to do so.
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ThunderSoul97
9. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 9:50 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 9:50 AM EDT
"If the show is going to get canceled, then it is going the wrong way. Until we find out this, you better not care about the rest. I at least see little reason to do so.
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Well I grew up seeing Sarah overwhelm and clutch John at all times, and John was always the leader of the resistance; but now some crook who is about to get his show canceled has the audacity to undermine the very foundations of the Terminator movie basis (Sarah crazy of John and John the leader of the Resistance). How can one such person be allowed to continue to change the story to such great extent? I need to understand how, as a fan, you are OK with this?? I am not!

And to tscchope, good riddance will never be applied to me... to you most likely though... :) 0  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
Orsino
Orsino
10. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 9:58 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 9:58 AM EDT
"Hey guys, I'm wondering what you think of the last moments of season 2's ending? If John and Sarah were alone in the same room, and John was in a time machine bubble, Sarah would either clublytch to him or pull him out of there. Now imagine there is a liquid terminator in that bubble, one that was called a "bitch" by Sarah, one that Sarah doesn't know (recall that Sarah hates machines and doesn't trust them), and John is standing in the bubble with that liquid terminator. Now, wouldn't Sarah pull out every gun she had and shoot at the terminator and pull her son out of the bubble, or would she back away like a scared rat saying "no, no, no"? I mean, even in the episode, the agent kept saying these 2 are inseparable. Yet in the biggest moment where they shouldn't be separated, Sarah backs out and lets John go alone with a stranger liquid terminator... I think this is too much of a bullshit to save the show? They are tainting the very foundations of the original Terminator movies. Not to mention that no matter what, John is the leader of the Resistance, which no body even knows about him at the end of season 2...
Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back!"
I do not believe that the series is going the wrong way.Indeed, I would suggest that the finale was the logical continuation of certain key themes that had been developed throughout season 2.John is forced to confronts the depth of his devotion to Cameron-a situation that he had struggled against from the very beginning of their relationship.The question of why Sarah neither goes with him nor tries to stop him is unqestionably valid.I would suggest however that the answer lies in her emotional response to John's anquished cry of "He's got her chip. He's got her" In that moment she hears her worst nightmare come true.She has been supplanted as the principal female figure in John's life.That realization paralyzes her. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

cyberanimal
11. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 10:02 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 10:02 AM EDT
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Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back!"
Same goes for you, jackass. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Sully889
12. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 10:05 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 10:05 AM EDT
It's possible that a lot of people didn't like the direction of the show so they stopped watching. That would help explain the dreadful ratings. Most people here will say they like the direction of the show.

What I don't understand is why you(OP) come to this forum saying:"Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back!" Do you find this valuable?    
Tucson
Tucson
13. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 10:15 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 10:15 AM EDT
"It's possible that a lot of people didn't like the direction of the show so they stopped watching. That would help explain the dreadful ratings. Most people here will say they like the direction of the show.

What I don't understand is why you(OP) come to this forum saying:"Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back!""
I'm gonna have to agree with you here and especially the last sentence. Good riddance wtf?

@OP
I myself didn't like where the direction was going most of the time but the last 2 episodes were great imo. We never got an explanation if Derek actually runs it because without John there there can be no formidable resistance. Otherwise he would be obsolete so don't jump to conclusions. Do you find this valuable?    
TheDamnedStandReady
TheDamnedStandReady
14. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 10:17 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 10:17 AM EDT
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Good riddance, TSCC, I hope you don't come back!"
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mr_green
mr_green
15. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 10:44 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 10:44 AM EDT
"His potential still hasn't been unleashed."
That's putting it mildly. Do you find this valuable?    

RGT100
16. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 10:49 AM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 10:49 AM EDT
Don't shout at me this is just an idea
Could this be part of his traing as the leader of the resistance so when j day happens he know in great detail what to expect
and do
and if Derek is the resistance leader he will learn a great deal,(there one thing hearing how to do it but actually doing it makes a big difference ) of tatics and harden as a leader in the future for his return to present day
Just an idea?

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Orsino
Orsino
17. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 1:19 PM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 1:19 PM EDT
"Don't shout at me this is just an idea
Could this be part of his traing as the leader of the resistance so when j day happens he know in great detail what to expect
and do
and if Derek is the resistance leader he will learn a great deal,(there one thing hearing how to do it but actually doing it makes a big difference ) of tatics and harden as a leader in the future for his return to present day
Just an idea?

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I think that your idea is absolutely valid.John needs to develop leadership and combat skills that he will never have as long as he stays in Sarah's nest.I have played with a piece of fan fiction that explores this very theory. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
TXfan
TXfan
18. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 17 2009, 1:58 PM EDT | Post edited: May 17 2009, 1:58 PM EDT
While I wasn't exactly enthusiastic about the end of "Born to Run" either (though the first part of the episode was great), and also think it is messing too much with the canon - I DO want to see this show continue. I am curious to see where JF is going with this Do you find this valuable?    

ThunderSoul97
19. RE: Is this series going the wrong way?
May 18 2009, 2:17 AM EDT | Post edited: May 18 2009, 2:17 AM EDT
"Same goes for you, jackass."
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