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bobomcgee	80. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 2:00 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 2:00 AM EDT My own idea for the why the show failed: airing the worst episodes at the most critical time when the show couldn't afford further erosion of the ratings. I looked at the ratings for each episode on Wikipedia, and you can see that although the ratings were in a steady decline for most of the shows run, there was a time when it appeared the ratings were leveling off at around 5 million viewers. That is until the episode "Strange Things..." aired; the first episode of the show to garner less than 5 million viewers. I actually remeber sitting and watching this episode and wondering when anything exciting or interesting would happen, never did. This was the first episode to feature an over use of boring monologues. That bomb of an episode was followed by a great episode, Self Made Man. The ratings in turn were back up in the 5 million viewer range and a 3.65 share. Next was Alpine Fields, which I considered to be interesting episode but not important to the development of ANY of the characters of the show. Felt more like a spin-off episode or pilot for some other TV Show. In effect it was a waste of space. All it accomplished was to introduce new characters that we wouldn't ever hear from again. Next was another lame episode, "Earthlings Welcome Here." Seemed like a rejected X-Files script. Moreover, the confrontation between Cameron and Riley dragged on for way too many episodes, and it wasn't until the last few minutes of this episode that people got what they were waiting for. During the preceding 37 minutes there was a lot talking (mostly from a hermaphrodite) and wall painting and slurpee drinking, and not much else. This episode was an absolute low-point as far as crappy dialogue. ^ The ratings after this were dismally bad. After that they were just fulfilling their contractual obligation until it was over and they could put it out of its ratings misery. Post reply 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
by.SkyNet	81. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 2:01 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 2:01 AM EDT "Josh won't be out of work long. from his imdb list http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0295264/bio His latest script project has been adapting "Ghost Soldiers" for Steven Spielberg to direct and Tom Cruise to star in. That script is currently being used in pre-production. working with Steven Spielberg? Sounds like a big step up from busting his ass for tv. It'll take awhile for him and the fans to get over TSCC. Eventually everyone will move on. TSCC will be one of many noble attempts to adapt a hit movie into a tv series. It rarely ever works. But, I'm glad they tried with Terminator." God damit. Another Fucking Tom Cruise film.. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
by.SkyNet	82. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 2:02 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 2:02 AM EDT "Damn right! Let's do this! VIVA LA RESISTANCE!" Hang in there, Baby Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
bobomcgee	83. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 2:12 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 2:20 AM EDT which brings me to my point. Consistency. If you've ever watched, say, Law and Order, you'll see that there's a formula that each episode sticks to. Somebody gets killed in the first few minutes, a mutilated body is discovered, Detective Benson and or ICE TEE make a trip to the morgue and find the cause of death, then they accuse the wrong person, then Meloni comes in and acts tough and pounds his chest, then the right pedophile finally confesses. Same formula every episode. Terminator didn't always have a formula that it adhered to. Actually, Sarah Connor Chronicles was the least formulaic show I've seen. So people tuning in never knew what to expect, which was good thing, but also a bad thing. Obviously it was a bad thing in the case of SCC. It probably made the show too hard for people to understand. Well, it was the best show I've ever seen Despite it's flaws. Most ambitious show too. If I were to compare SCC to a rock star it would be Ian Curtis. He burned too bright for his own good then died before his time. Not only that, but there was a similar foreboding sense of doom in SCC and likewise in Ian Curtis's music. (Joy Division.) Just listen to "Heart and Soul." The thing about both of them (the music and the show) was they were both brutally honest. No fake bullshit, no light at the end of the tunnel. Which was another reason why this show probably couldn't hold viewers, it was too bleak. Oh well, I've said my piece. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
jht53	84. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 2:38 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 2:38 AM EDT TSCC compared to Joy Division. Now i've seen it all. But, honestly, you make a good point about the show's reach exceeding its grasp. "Earthings Welcome Here" was rock bottom and had no business existing in the first place. This is one of many questionable decisions JF made that lead to TSCC's demise. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
darkman_2	85. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 2:58 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 2:58 AM EDT Don't blame it all on Fox. It wasn't Fox's decision to make Terminator into a family drama. Everybody is making Fox out to be the ultimate bad guy...but the leader of the show should also be to blame. In fact, when your the leader, most of the blame should rightfully fall on You. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
jht53	86. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 3:04 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 3:05 AM EDT Friedman's ambition gave us three things: an excellent(most of the time) continuation of the Terminator timeline, two of the best season finales in recent memory, and, lastly - a cancelled show. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Schmacky	87. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 3:40 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 3:40 AM EDT "working with Steven Spielberg? Sounds like a big step up from busting his ass for tv." Well he's already worked with Spielberg and Cruise before. So, I guess he took a step down and is stepping back up? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kelvynmann	88. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 3:56 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 3:56 AM EDT "A little rant from Josh. http://hucksblog.blogspot.com/" i read the whole thing..and honestly i feel so sad and mad at the same time. I feel for the guy. and i read half the posts on this blog and think " who fuckin cares how many episodes he was responsible for!!" HE WAS FUCKIN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WHOLE SHOW, HE IS THE REASON WE HAD THE SHOW TO BEGIN WITH. i dont understand the stupid fuckers who point fingers at the guy and put pressure. You guys (nor do I) dont know any fucking thing about creating and maintaining a show...it sounds like a LOT of work..and STRESS. people forget he is HUMAN. YES IM MAD... Josh man, if u ever come back here and read this stuff...i thinkk u did a great job. WB can suck it as far as im concerned. It seems to me, after reading ur blog, that hollywood execs are asswholes. They were there for u when u were up, and COMPLETELY turned when u werent. Right now life must suck big ones...but all i can say is, You're a talented man and good shall come out of this bull. You'll get another show. And i will support you. In the meanwhile...i wish you peace and sanity... Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Schmacky	89. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:05 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:05 AM EDT You know what's funny too? The majority of fans love the episodes he wrote. Pilot Samson & Delilah Born To Run Most people like these eps... even the Josh haters. I just find that funny. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wahoo4	90. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:21 AM EDT Over all the show was good. Yeah a few less desirable episodes, but over all good. As long as he learned from his mistakes. Life is about choices and expirences. I just wish they would have given him another chance to learn from those mistakes. The final blow was the slow death of Jameron. I hope he learned. LOL Don't screw with the Jams. LOL Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Alexsw	91. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:24 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:24 AM EDT Well, let's see it this way: Once you are a big fan of TSCC, you cannot be mad about JF, 'cause he made a show you liked as the fan you are. The show was mostly cancelled because of too few viewers (and the bad numbers). So you as a Fan can only blame the guys who didn't tune in (without understanding why). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
sNaKeBiTe69	92. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:24 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:24 AM EDT Okay, maybe I'm too stupid, but in essence he tells us that he knew his show was canceled (yet not officially) about 1 month before May 18th?! But at the beginning of the text he said that if he knew, he would tell at least the people who are working on the show. I don't get it. Can somebody please explain? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SummerDream	93. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:24 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:24 AM EDT "You know what's funny too? The majority of fans love the episodes he wrote. Pilot Samson & Delilah Born To Run Most people like these eps... even the Josh haters. I just find that funny." They dont hate Josh. They hate the show. Those are three of the five best episodes. Best were the pilot, last of first season, first of second, last two of second. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jht53	94. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:32 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:32 AM EDT The two most consistent writers on the show were Ash and Toni Graphia. Both were responsible for the most poignant episodes during the show's run. I can respect that JF was largely responsible for TSCC, but he certainly wasn't the best on the writing staff. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
mannymore	95. Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:33 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:33 AM EDT I think it is very evident that the show was being manipulated by Fox & the single episode format being forced on to JF. It didn't work ! the style of writing did not lend itself to it. I think JF did all that was asked of him ( by Fox) to continue through & complete season 2 but, all it did was destroy the core of the show. We don't know how much friction this created but, JF is rightly pissed off with Fox . The way it reads now is that Fox "killed it " by their interference in the writing & probable diluting of the plot. It is very likely JF WASN'T told until the last that the show was cancelled, the suits at Fox relished that I'm sure ! & as has previously been said JF isn't going back there to revive it. I wish him good luck & hope he does write again for the show somewhere else where he has the freedom to do it his way ! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
jht53	96. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:40 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:40 AM EDT I think the show's cancellation may have had something to do with the current legal dispute over the distributing rights to the franchise between MGM and WB. It's possible that Fox didn't feel like sticking around as the third leg in that battle, only to get burned. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Schmacky	97. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:40 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:40 AM EDT "Okay, maybe I'm too stupid, but in essence he tells us that he knew his show was canceled (yet not officially) about 1 month before May 18th?! But at the beginning of the text he said that if he knew, he would tell at least the people who are working on the show. I don't get it. Can somebody please explain?" He had a bad feeling but was holding out hope. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
NordWest	98. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:40 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:40 AM EDT I cannot find any Fox reference in Friedman's last blog entry. The posting was about WB stuff and other show runners. Ok may be the cow was actually a fox cow. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Alexsw	99. RE: Latest from the Josh Blog Jun 5 2009, 4:41 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 4:41 AM EDT "Speak for yourself on that. I've never bashed the guy... never saw the damn reason to. And when the show got canceled and people were saying he gave up, I knew the guy was really down and out about it. We lost a show, he lost his job and 2 and a half years of his life... and then got a bunch of bullshit from supposed fans of the show. I used to think Headey got the most crap on this show from media and fans but I think that has long ago switched to Josh. Oh yay, lucky him... gets all the negative attention and pissed off "fans" bitching at him and about him pretty much everywhere. It's crap. So yeah, speak for yourself. Because I never bashed the guy once. So all you who did... whatever. " @ Schmacky I meant the "WE" in "we bashed JF" as a general term. Personally I never did and never will, but I tried to make clear that we fans are all responsible in a way. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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