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PyroDude
20. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:08 AM EDT
T4 had made $205 million world wide. It's made $110 million in the US since it's release. That's... pathetic to what was expected.

But I am hoping WB/Halycon will try and hedge their bets and get the SCC back. But I don't understand why they can't have two franchises running simultaneously. It'd be... two, three years before another Terminator movie came out? That would have been plenty of time for 4 or 5 seasons of TSCC to finish up the show. I kinda think 5 season is about as long as one can go. Trek doing 7 season and SG doing 10 started getting... old...
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21. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:12 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:12 AM EDT
"Its you opinion, and it might be of a lot of vocal cliche haters on the internet, but the people that spend money worldwide on T3 movie and dvd sales spoke otherwise. So the people that count , made T4 happen and so
will be the same with T5 and 6. And the haters can complain, and watch a dvd rip because they don't fit in the
demographic that has a job and has expendable income and usually higher education that all count towards making
movies happen."
It's likely that anyone with a higher education would agree that Mostow's T3 was a trainwreck, while McG's movie barely got Terminator back on track. And you're right, the "haters" can and will complain; and deservedly so. Cameron's T1 and T2 were outstanding science fiction/action films and deserved a better follow up treatment than the one they were dealt.
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22. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:18 AM EDT
"It's likely that anyone with a higher education would agree that Mostow's T3 was a trainwreck, while McG's movie barely got Terminator back on track. And you're right, the "haters" can and will complain; and deservedly so. Cameron's T1 and T2 were outstanding science fiction/action films and deserved a better follow up treatment than the one they were dealt."
maybe this is why cameron didnt want to make the films in the future or any at all after t-2 maybe he thought he couldnt do the future war due to time line problems or something, i thank mcg for giving imo a solid action film in the future that showed me the future john i wanted to see and more of kyle
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jht53
23. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:16 AM EDT
"T2 was absolutely chock full of corny one liners and just mind numbing cgi and explosions."
T2 was "chock full" of mind-numbing cgi and explosions? What are you talking about? There were only 8 or so scenes with actual cgi and those were landmarks in special effects at the time. Not only that, but Cameron's use of practical effects are bar none the best in any action movie to date. It's ludicrous that you're attempting to make a case for T3 while deriding T2 as "mind-numbing."
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24. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:17 AM EDT
"T4 had made $205 million world wide. It's made $110 million in the US since it's release. That's... pathetic to what was expected.

But I am hoping WB/Halycon will try and hedge their bets and get the SCC back. But I don't understand why they can't have two franchises running simultaneously. It'd be... two, three years before another Terminator movie came out? That would have been plenty of time for 4 or 5 seasons of TSCC to finish up the show. I kinda think 5 season is about as long as one can go. Trek doing 7 season and SG doing 10 started getting... old..."
the 2nd weekend #'s are not updated from the UK /foreing markets yet in that 205 million. Also Japan is opening this weekend, they might be good for 20 million alone. The Sony name on it ithere will help.
Season 3 of TSCC would have probably been its best. This happened with TNG. We know the characters , the actors know them and each other and the writers are all on the proverbial same page. Its a shame it did not hapeen.
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25. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:22 AM EDT
"T2 was "chock full" of mind-numbing cgi and explosions? What are you talking about? There were only 8 or so scenes with actual cgi and those were landmarks in special effects at the time. Not only that, but Cameron's use of practical effects are bar none the best in any action movie to date. It's ludicrous that you're attempting to make a case for T3 while deriding T2 as "mind-numbing.""
The liquid terminator was cgi, he was the villain and he was used because it was very cool. If that was a small part of the movie your take on T2 is clueless. I'm not deriding T2 one bit, I was pointing out how petty haters like yourself spin cliches to suit their garbage. Take a statement and use it to bash T4 or T3 while looking like Joe internet critic and laud T2.
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PyroDude
26. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:32 AM EDT
"the 2nd weekend #'s are not updated from the UK /foreing markets yet in that 205 million. Also Japan is opening this weekend, they might be good for 20 million alone. The Sony name on it ithere will help.
Season 3 of TSCC would have probably been its best. This happened with TNG. We know the characters , the actors know them and each other and the writers are all on the proverbial same page. Its a shame it did not hapeen."
The big, important market for films is the US, though. And it has been a pretty big let down (and dare say, failure?) when it was expected to make what, $70 million opening weekend? At least?

Remember that they have to split those ticket sales with the theaters. I believe 50% goes to theaters, at least in the US. And add on another $100 million in advertising at least. Salvation needs to do at least double or slightly more, then do well with DVDs (which I have no doubt it will). But it has hardly been the blockbuster WB/Haylcon were hoping for.

Which is why I don't understand why they wouldn't want TSCC. They want to make two more movies so why not keep Terminator right out there.

They didn't stop making Deep Space Nine, or Voyager when the TNG movies were coming out.
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jht53
27. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:34 AM EDT
"The liquid terminator was cgi, he was the villain and he was used because it was very cool. If that was a small part of the movie your take on T2 is clueless. I'm not deriding T2 one bit, I was pointing out how petty haters like yourself spin cliches to suit their garbage. Take a statement and use it to bash T4 or T3 while looking like Joe internet critic and laud T2."
Yes, the T-1000 was the only cgi in the film. And, yes, it was a small part in the movie - he's sparringly shown in liquid metal form, and when he is, it's done tastefully. If you could direct me to the nearest cliche bin, i'd be happy to pull one out and berate T3 with it. As for T4, I have more than a few good things to say about it, but TSCC serves as a far superior addition to Cameron's T1 and T2.
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jht53
28. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:41 AM EDT
"Which is why I don't understand why they wouldn't want TSCC. They want to make two more movies so why not keep Terminator right out there.

They didn't stop making Deep Space Nine, or Voyager when the TNG movies were coming out."
You make a great point. It is somewhat confusing as to why WB seems content with leaving TSCC in the dust. The show may not have been a profitable endeavor for Fox, but it certainly was - and still is - for WB. They are making pure profit on those dvd and bluray sales. T4, on the other hand, has been a mixed venture for them. Sure, the movie is doing well internationally, but they split those profits with Sony *after* splitting ticket sales with theaters. Domestically, the movie was a critical and financial flop, so its hard to imagine that they will greenlight T5 any time soon.
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Marcus_Wright
29. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:44 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:44 AM EDT
"You make a great point. It is somewhat confusing as to why WB seems content with leaving TSCC in the dust. The show may not have been a profitable endeavor for Fox, but it certainly was - and still is - for WB. They are making pure profit on those dvd and bluray sales. T4, on the other hand, has been a mixed venture for them. Sure, the movie is doing well internationally, but they split those profits with Sony *after* splitting ticket sales with theaters. Domestically, the movie was a critical and financial flop, so its hard to imagine that they will greenlight T5 any time soon."
maybe if season 2 sells better than they expect they will try to make a season 3 and put it on the wb channel or something that would be cool
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jht53
30. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 1:49 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 1:49 AM EDT
"maybe if season 2 sells better than they expect they will try to make a season 3 and put it on the wb channel or something that would be cool"
We can only hope, Marcus.
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31. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 7:02 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 7:02 AM EDT
"Its you opinion, and it might be of a lot of vocal cliche haters on the internet, but the people that spend money worldwide on T3 movie and dvd sales spoke otherwise. So the people that count , made T4 happen and so
will be the same with T5 and 6. And the haters can complain, and watch a dvd rip because they don't fit in the
demographic that has a job and has expendable income and usually higher education that all count towards making
movies happen."
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Critics give Terminator Salvation C+ and People B, plus box office is bad for teminator salvation; only in USA everybody forecast 200 million box office, real box office in USA about 106 million....
I love terminator but terminator salvation is just a bad movie...
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Last_Stand
32. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 7:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 7:46 AM EDT
MMM.MIND, can't agree with you. Forget USA. It's not the whole world =)
World box offices are good. 1st place in 66 of 70 territories in first weekend (I've posted detailed numbers before). I'm pretty sure move is more than enought proffitable. Btw, it's typical for Terminator movies. Even TSCC was more popular outside USA.
What about good or bad... I'd say it's a great step ahead from 3th part. Yes, end of the movie is very doubtfull idea, but in average quality is great, imo. So, we certanly may wait for 5th part.
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DeadpooI
33. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 7:57 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 7:57 AM EDT
We're "gonna be swimming in a river of sick with no floaties on."

From wikipedia (with references). Make of it what you will:
"McG said the time displacement equipment and the T-1000 will be reintroduced in the fifth film: "I like the idea and the perspective for the next picture that you meet Robert Patrick the way he looks today, and he's a scientist that's working on, you know, improving cell replication so we can stay healthier and we can cure diabetes and do all these things that sound like good ideas, and to once again live as idealized expressions as ourselves."[8][9]

McG added the fifth film "is likely to be" about Connor himself timetravelling to 2011 to galvanize the world's forces against a Skynet attack, which would explore a "survivalist creature in our world doing his best to bring the world up to speed on an impending doom... and one could argue he meets his mother. I strongly suspect Linda Hamilton to be the star of the next film." McG also said the origin story they had in mind for the T-1000 would satirize the world's "obsession" with youth and aging,[11][12] and also described having "hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare."[13]

References:
[8] - http://www.showbizcafe.com/en/news/terminator-salvation-first-review/1423
[9] - http://www.thearnoldfans.com/news/1421.htm
[11] - Jonathan Dean (June 2009). "Beyond Salvation". Total Film: pp. 65.
[12] - http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20895
[13] - http://www.filmjournal.com/filmjournal/content_display/news-and-features/features/movies/e3ida99bf36787f149a761c5190f90c8c7a
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34. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 8:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 8:46 AM EDT
"MMM.MIND, can't agree with you. Forget USA. It's not the whole world =)
World box offices are good. 1st place in 66 of 70 territories in first weekend (I've posted detailed numbers before). I'm pretty sure move is more than enought proffitable. Btw, it's typical for Terminator movies. Even TSCC was more popular outside USA.
What about good or bad... I'd say it's a great step ahead from 3th part. Yes, end of the movie is very doubtfull idea, but in average quality is great, imo. So, we certanly may wait for 5th part."
Last Stand
You have a good point; world box offices are good (right now). However I do not know about future world box office.
In the future we will know is Terminator Salvation is Profitable (we only have to wait a few months).
About quality critics are hard (C average )... and people (B average). I have critic taste....
I would love a great T5 movie but WB and Halcyon will make that movie or something like Terminator Salvation with the same director, actor and writers....
TSCC have good critics, strong fan base (we won every poll), TSCC is inventive and original storytelling with brilliant casting, about 5 millions rating in Monday + good DVR, death Friday was not good for TSCC, TSCC is great advertisement for terminator movies. I'm pretty sure TSCC will come back in some way… Maybe soon, maybe later…
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reilly.b.reese
35. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 9:56 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 9:56 AM EDT
"From wikipedia (with references). Make of it what you will:
"McG said the time displacement equipment and the T-1000 will be reintroduced in the fifth film: "I like the idea and the perspective for the next picture that you meet Robert Patrick the way he looks today, and he's a scientist that's working on, you know, improving cell replication so we can stay healthier and we can cure diabetes and do all these things that sound like good ideas, and to once again live as idealized expressions as ourselves."[8][9]

McG added the fifth film "is likely to be" about Connor himself timetravelling to 2011 to galvanize the world's forces against a Skynet attack, which would explore a "survivalist creature in our world doing his best to bring the world up to speed on an impending doom... and one could argue he meets his mother. I strongly suspect Linda Hamilton to be the star of the next film." McG also said the origin story they had in mind for the T-1000 would satirize the world's "obsession" with youth and aging,[11][12] and also described having "hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare."[13] "
Do we really need a sort of origins story of how the T-1000 came to be?

So T4 had Arnie. McG is wanting Robert Patrick in T5. Am I the only one who can imagine McG wanting Kristina Loken back to portray the T-X in T6?
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Last_Stand
36. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 10:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 10:09 AM EDT
"Last Stand
You have a good point; world box offices are good (right now). However I do not know about future world box office.
In the future we will know is Terminator Salvation is Profitable (we only have to wait a few months).
About quality critics are hard (C average )... and people (B average). I have critic taste....
I would love a great T5 movie but WB and Halcyon will make that movie or something like Terminator Salvation with the same director, actor and writers....
TSCC have good critics, strong fan base (we won every poll), TSCC is inventive and original storytelling with brilliant casting, about 5 millions rating in Monday + good DVR, death Friday was not good for TSCC, TSCC is great advertisement for terminator movies. I'm pretty sure TSCC will come back in some way… Maybe soon, maybe later…
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Cammynator
37. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 10:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 10:20 AM EDT
"I hope he includes Daleks in this one.
Sounds like it's something he might consider. "
Eh, I'd pay to see that


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DeadpooI
38. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 10:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 10:40 AM EDT
"Do we really need a sort of origins story of how the T-1000 came to be? "
All this bullshit about humans making terminators and Skynet just stealing the designs is getting on my nerves.

Humans making early HKs and T1s is fine.
I mean, Skynet needed something to use forge an empire with once it blew up the world (otherwise it'd just be a computer living in a bunker), and a T1 is "just" a glorified SWORD robot without an operator. I see no harm in saying that Skynet's creators also dabbled with a few ideas for autonomous guns to deploy in combat...
But having humans make flesh covered exoskeletons (grim reapers rendered in steel - as James Cameron put it) and a shapeshifting Swiss army knife? What the f**k?! Why not say they built the damn TDE as well?

But:
* T3 had a deleted scene where it was revealed that humans were designing T-800s - complete with Arnie (Thank your God it was deleted.)
* T4 seems to have the idea of humans wishing to make endoskeletal "Huminators" (?)
* T5 looks to have the idea that humans were building liquid metal creations for cosmetic reasons, only for Skynet to steal the idea and turn them into death machines.

Why are they doing this?
Please, please, please leave the designing and building of nightmarish terminators and death machines to Skynet. Not meatsacks.

This is getting a million times more retarded than when Brian Michael Bendis decided that the Venom symbiote should be the result of a man-made cure for cancer...
Because clearly curing tumours should result in this http://www.bamkapow.com/ul/159-Ultimate_venom.jpg ....
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SwanSun
39. RE: Terminator 5
Jun 14 2009, 10:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 14 2009, 10:40 AM EDT
".........It shows that the guy a) knows nothing of Terminator canon, and b) cannot direct anything but an action scene.

I won't be holding my breath waiting for that one."
Yes. Terminator 5 should be set in the future, there's no need to jump back in time for the story, leave that for Terminator 6. It just needs good writing. We know the action and visuals will be done well, now we just need a better written story.

T4 is a good opening chapter to T5 and beyond, regardless of it's quality as a standalone movie.
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