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steel1x1 |
140. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 13 2009, 3:23 AM EDT
"I thought it was what BAG said, that John learns to become the leader that he's supposed to be in this new timeline. Considering what John knows, I think he would find a way back when he felt he was ready (will he bring Allison back with him?). If he comes back to the same point in time 8 yrs later, then his age balances out back to the T1-2 timelines."Well if he did go back which I think would eventually happen it would be back to 2009.It must suck being John Connor.Having to send your father and uncle back to there deaths.Knowing the future sucks. Do you find this valuable? |
nyccine |
141. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 14 2009, 10:52 AM EDT
And here I was hoping that it was JF that was the problem, and that letting someone else take over would get the series back to where it needs to be. :<What Middleton proposes here is just a continuation of what plagued season two: a desire to create "twists" in lieu of telling an actual story. Sending John to a future where the resistance seems quite fine without him is - aside from a cheap trick to undo Derek's (and Kyle's, and Allison's) death - practically the worst possible thing to do to the core conceipt of the franchise, and furthermore the worst possible thing to do to Sarah, Ellison, and Savannah, as it renders them utterly useless; we already know that in the future they failed to stop Judgement Day, so there's no point in cheering for their success since we already know they won't. The first step in getting the series back on the right track would be to undo that as quickly as possible. Putting the spotlight on John's potential interactions with Allison is also a major disaster waiting to happen. Face it: the revelation that Cameron was specifically based on a resistance fighter - *and that this was a person well-known to John* - raises questions about FutureJohn's moral fitness that don't lead us anywhere good, and exploring "drama" (can this be anything other than a ship?) between the two threatens to destroy the Chronicles; either John "grows up" and develops a relationship with a "real woman", resulting in Cameron being effectively done as a character in the series, or John must still sacrifice Allison to have Cameron and wiping out any sympathy the audience could possibly have for such an asshole. It looks like there's no hope for the story after all... Do you find this valuable? |
shortstopk |
142. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 14 2009, 12:17 PM EDT
""I think that that's the right interpretation, because in the actual footage of the show, we see that Derek doesn't recognize him," Middleton said. "So, by jumping into this future, he has erased his existence in a certain way, and we see that. We see that nobody recognizes him."I don't think Middleton's making any big revelation here. He's not saying John stays in the future, he's just confirming the reporter's reading of the ending while revealing as little as possible. My assumption is that John was going to return to the regular timeline in the present once he had rescued Cameron's chip. I don't see any way this show would have gone on continuously with Sarah and John in completely different times. I imagine for maybe half the season that Sarah and Ellison would have been tracking down Danny Dyson and eluding authorities (the new agent from the prison would have been involved somehow). While John would have stayed in the future and gotten to know Kyle and Allison, and at the same time really learning both how to fight (as opposed to the mere training he's gotten in the past) and more about Skynet and the Terminators. All that knowledge would prepare him for becoming the leader after he does come back to the past. Not sure where they would have gone with Weaver and John Henry. Do you find this valuable? |
NordWest |
143. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 14 2009, 5:27 PM EDT
If we follow the writers idea that John knew all along of Riley and Jesse then I think that he is already the asshole of the show, because of how he played Riley and brought her into mortal danger.Their is a hight risk for stupid soap opera story lines with Allison falling in love with John but there are other possibilities. My faith into the TSCC writers is very limited though. I think that a season with John in the future would only work with almost no Sarah Connor. The show would become a different show. Do you find this valuable? |
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NordWest |
144. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 14 2009, 5:33 PM EDT
I wonder if James Middleton is also involved in the next T5 movie?I am not sure if being associated producer of T4 is as pro for him. Do you find this valuable? |
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nyccine |
145. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 15 2009, 8:07 AM EDT
"If we follow the writers idea that John knew all along of Riley and Jesse then I think that he is already the asshole of the show, because of how he played Riley and brought her into mortal danger."Yeah, I kinda block this out since it was handled so badly. "Show, don't tell" is one of the fundamental rules of storytelling, and the writers crapped all over it with the revelation that John knew all along. There was absolutely nothing revealed during the course of the series to even hint that John suspected anything about Riley, so the audience has no reason to believe it, they simply have to take the writer's word for it, or give up and search for something perhaps a bit more intelligent, like Spongebob reruns or professional wrestling. The wrole "Riley-is-from-the-future" thing was handled in the same manner; she was potrayed as being a quirky, yet innocent teen; a perfect foil for the craziness in John's life, right up until the point where it's revealed she's an agent of Jesse's. Instead of feeling like a natural progression of the character, a confirmation of suspicions hinted at earlier, it was like a light switch; she's an innovent caught up in circumstances beyond she's completely ignorant of, now she's an experienced survivor from the future. Oddly enough, fans bemoaned the lack of viewers for such obvious high-brow writing; but yet this isn't surprising anymore, considering the raves genre fans gave BSG, which was an even worse offender: Baltar is introduced by another character simply declaring that Baltar is some sort of genius, with no evidence to support that, well, ever, actually; Baltar's actions over the course of the series simply strain all credibility, and if I didn't know any better I'd swear it was intentional. Yet, as long as hot blonde robots keep sexing nerds, genre fans will swear it is brilliant television. Do you find this valuable? |
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PyroDude |
146. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 15 2009, 9:46 AM EDT
Baltar was introduced in the original miniseries as a brilliant scientist, and a leading engineer for the Ministry of Defense. I think his introduction was him being interviewed on the TV, that he had won three Magnate Prizes, which were prestigious computer information engineering awards. With what he had, he did a pretty good job. It's not like he had a well-stock MoD lab where he could order state of the arm equipment. He was on a 50 year old battlestar with a commander who hated technology. His Cylon detector was a pretty nifty invention which he made fairly quickly. His idiocy was more due to Head Six manipulating him and being a bit of an egotistical and kinda crazy asshole.The Riley and being from the future part I thought John said he didn't figure out until later, but then looked back and connected the dots and didn't want to admit it to himself? Do you find this valuable? |
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nyccine |
147. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 16 2009, 7:12 AM EDT
"...that he had won three Magnate Prizes..."Which is my point; these are assertions, not actions. We, the audience, do not live in the world of BSG, so saying he won any number of made-up awards is meaningless. You have to show a character is brilliant through their actions, not by declarations (this was a recurring issue with BSG; the writers generally chose to resolve character conflicts not through showing them reacting to their experiences but rather by having them go through long-winded expositions). Perhaps it would be more fair to say that Baltar was not an idiot so much as nothing he did to undermine the human's efforts against the Cylons was terribly clever and everyone else had to be falling-down dumb to not catch it. First, we have to deal with Baltar giving up the codes to Six to shut down humanity's defenses; one wonders why, since it is well known that Baltar was the point man on this project (if memory serves, he practically programmed the thing all by himself), why nobody bothered to interrogate him about this. Then, we get "I need plutonium for my Cylon detector", rather than give him a vial, Adama gives him a whole damn nuke. Then, when it goes off, wiping out a number of the fleet, nobody bothers to check if Baltar still has his, never mind the fact that nuclear explosions have unique spectral characteristics that can determine the origin of the device. For an encore, he murders a guard and, while only he, the guard, and a Cylon were in the cell, nobody bothers to check the security tapes - surely a faster-than-light ship has security cameras. He becomes President, and leads the fleet to a planet where he basically orders everyone to disarm themselves, essentially decommissions their warships, and to the utter shock to everyone on the show (but to absolutely no-one with a funtioning brain) this results in a Cylon attack. Do you find this valuable? |
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nyccine |
148. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 16 2009, 7:23 AM EDT
"The Riley and being from the future part I thought John said he didn't figure out until later, but then looked back and connected the dots and didn't want to admit it to himself?"Whoosh. The point is not when John discovered it, it's that at no point did was the character ever presented as having any suspicions of this beforehand. You don't just pull shit out of nowhere, you hint at it, leave subtle clues. Unless you were an adventure game designer back in the 90's for Sierra or Lucasarts (see Old Man Murray if you don't get the reference http://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/77.html), having shit come out of left field (Riley's reveal as being from the future is handled similarly - absolutely nothing hinting at that was ever given) is seen as illogical and retarded. Do you find this valuable? |
