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Hyperalloy
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80. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 1:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 1:52 PM EDT
"No it wouldnt have. It would have been the final deathnail into this insane directionless show.
God things like this piss me off so much, because at times this show was simply amazing. it was cool. then most other times, it just went off the deep end.

it wasnt enough they made John Connor in this show a crying baby.
It wasnt enough they made John in the future, hide in a bunker, hide behind Cameron, and have his soldiers openly second guessing him.
Its not enough they do the Jameron ship, just to derail it themselves with Riely.

Now they wanted to make Kyle a villian. KYLE REESE, people!

the brain trust of this series, had no business being on television in the first place. Not the show, the creators themselves.



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Uh, that was actually my idea, not the show runner's...

1. Agree with your John Connor criticism; he needed to be uncertain but not quite that uncertain.

2. Exactly what do you want from John Connor? Christian Bale type heroics? Charging into the faces of the machines with his men? Wait, John Connor did that in the movie, and he would have died if not for a Terminator... A general's job isn't to fight on the front lines; a general's job is to devise strategy. And since John Connor is Skynet target Number 1, keeping himself protected all the time is the only way for him to stay alive. Connor can't always expect there to be a Cameron or Bob to be waiting in the wings to save him.

3. Ok, you don't like Jameron, some people do. You're opinion about Jameron doesn't mean it was a concrete problem with the series.

And as for Kyle Reese, just because he was in the first movie doesn't mean you can't do anything with him but polish the memories of his golden years. They played with Sarah Connor's character is the series all the time, even making her unhinged in some instances, why not play with Kyle? 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
demonking5
demonking5
81. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 1:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 1:54 PM EDT
judging by the producers words in this article it looked like they were going to make Allison more important. If they did this without brining back Cameron it would have hurt the show. But still 31 eps does no justice to one of the best sci fi series 100 would have been better its what all good shows usually get. Do you find this valuable?    
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82. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 1:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 1:54 PM EDT
"Ah, you trying to spin things so they suit your argument.

Why on earth would John be doing things just out of the blue?? Why would he start making demands to Derek before he's established any sort of foothold? Oh yeah, so that you can create a silly argument around it.
John would first gain a foothold in the resistance before doing anything. Savannah being the way he'd achieve that. While Derek does not know him it this timeline, Savannah does. Also, John does have some knowledge about things, knowledge that would help him gain credibility."
Ok forget the silly arguments. But also John was ever to do one thing sneaky or with a double meaning and not explain it to the people that have welcomed him in to the resistance it would make JC look petty. He will have to tell them the chip or the new JH is very important to the future of humanity. And then pray JH or the writers can think of some kind of reason we need to rebuild Cameron besides a romantic one, because NO ONE would allow that to happen.... These are killing machines, thats the only experience ever anyone has with these things. Why risk lives to snatch one that looks like this girl Alison thats friends to everyone around you ? There is no easy sensible story in there. Do you find this valuable?    

Gusar
83. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:03 PM EDT
"Why risk lives to snatch one that looks like this girl Alison thats friends to everyone around you ? There is no easy sensible story in there."
This is another silly argument.
I never said the resistance would be snatching any termies. I said Weaver would build one. No snatching necessary here, because Weaver is on John's side.

And I said this scenario is less likely. That there's another one, one you seemingly ignored. Why, because you couldn't create a silly argument around it?
The other scenario was: Zeira repairs the current Cameron body. John then returns to the past with the chip and inserts it in that body. Why would Zeira do that? Simple, because John would still have use for a protector in the past. See, I provided a non-romantic reason. Do you find this valuable?    

Sully889
84. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:02 PM EDT
This idea of going to the future for Cameron was, lackluster to say the least. If he were to stay in the futue and mature and forge reationships with other resistance fighters, then I could live with it. John leaving everything behind and possibly throwing away his destiny for a robot was a turnoff for me. It was like at that point they were trying to force Cameron on us. But like I said, if John was going to turn himself around, I wouldn't mind it.

Plus, I would like to have seen what he and Weaver were going to do, if they were going to work with each other. Do you find this valuable?    

reilly.b.reese
85. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:07 PM EDT
"Ok forget the silly arguments. But also John was ever to do one thing sneaky or with a double meaning and not explain it to the people that have welcomed him in to the resistance it would make JC look petty. He will have to tell them the chip or the new JH is very important to the future of humanity. And then pray JH or the writers can think of some kind of reason we need to rebuild Cameron besides a romantic one, because NO ONE would allow that to happen.... These are killing machines, thats the only experience ever anyone has with these things. Why risk lives to snatch one that looks like this girl Alison thats friends to everyone around you ? There is no easy sensible story in there."
They could just stick with the original idea; Cameron needs to protect John in the past for him to survive until J-Day. It's simple and it works.

Everyone in the Resistance would be against the idea seeing as they don't know John Connor and they like Allison, but if John and Weaver did it in secret none of them would necessarily know. If they snatched Cameron as she infiltrated the Resistance HQ, they could have easily swapped Cameron's "terminate John Connor" chip with the "protect John Connor" one (providing John Henry has his own chip by this point. Or something. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Timeloop
86. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:11 PM EDT
"This idea of going to the future for Cameron was, lackluster to say the least. If he were to stay in the futue and mature and forge reationships with other resistance fighters, then I could live with it. John leaving everything behind and possibly throwing away his destiny for a robot was a turnoff for me. It was like at that point they were trying to force Cameron on us. But like I said, if John was going to turn himself around, I wouldn't mind it.

Plus, I would like to have seen what he and Weaver were going to do, if they were going to work with each other."
John had to follow CW to the future or he would not last long in the past as there is no terminator to protect him and Kaleba was closing in. It is obvious that the 3 AI expected John to follow CW and that their future agenda takes that into consideration.

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87. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:13 PM EDT
"This idea of going to the future for Cameron was, lackluster to say the least. If he were to stay in the futue and mature and forge reationships with other resistance fighters, then I could live with it. John leaving everything behind and possibly throwing away his destiny for a robot was a turnoff for me. It was like at that point they were trying to force Cameron on us. But like I said, if John was going to turn himself around, I wouldn't mind it.

Plus, I would like to have seen what he and Weaver were going to do, if they were going to work with each other."
I have always believed there are multiple reasons why JC did not step out of the TDE bubble. First he had 10 seconds to decide, second he heard weaver mention the importance of JH to the future. Give the romantics John stayed for Cameron, but I also know time and many other reasons existed , why he stayed within the TDE. He did not break down and cry when Cameron dd not materialize with them , wherever they are. I saw the look that John gave Alison, I think Middleton wanted us to see this connection. Jalison--------Done Deal. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Sully889
88. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:14 PM EDT
"John had to follow CW to the future or he would not last long in the past as there is no terminator to protect him and Kaleba was closing in. It is obvious that the 3 AI expected John to follow CW and that their future agenda takes that into consideration.

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Yeah fine, but he obviously wasn't thinking about that when he made the jump. I could live with that as the reason, but we all know why he really went to the future. Do you find this valuable?    

Sully889
89. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:18 PM EDT
"I have always believed there are multiple reasons why JC did not step out of the TDE bubble. First he had 10 seconds to decide, second he heard weaver mention the importance of JH to the future. Give the romantics John stayed for Cameron, but I also know time and many other reasons existed , why he stayed within the TDE. He did not break down and cry when Cameron dd not materialize with them , wherever they are. I saw the look that John gave Alison, I think Middleton wanted us to see this connection. Jalison--------Done Deal."
Maybe, I think if he was leaving because of lack of pretection, like others have stated, he would have said so. But I guess in a timeline with thousands of terminators, you are safer there than in a timeline with tens of terminators. Do you find this valuable?    
thecrusadingknight
thecrusadingknight
90. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:19 PM EDT
"John had to follow CW to the future or he would not last long in the past as there is no terminator to protect him and Kaleba was closing in. It is obvious that the 3 AI expected John to follow CW and that their future agenda takes that into consideration.

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I doubt that Cameron wanted John to follow her. Otherwise the message would not have said "I'm sorry, John." It would have said "Come with me" or something. I strongly believe that part of the reason why Cameron went into the future was to get away from John, leaving him with Sarah to protect him. Cameron knew she was a threat to John, and leaving him would protect him from herself. Do you find this valuable?    
TentoTwenty
TentoTwenty
91. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:20 PM EDT
"I doubt that Cameron wanted John to follow her. Otherwise the message would not have said "I'm sorry, John." It would have said "Come with me" or something. I strongly believe that part of the reason why Cameron went into the future was to get away from John, leaving him with Sarah to protect him. Cameron knew she was a threat to John, and leaving him would protect him from herself."
This is the post of the day. I couldn't agree more. 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Timeloop
92. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:22 PM EDT
"Yeah fine, but he obviously wasn't thinking about that when he made the jump. I could live with that as the reason, but we all know why he really went to the future."
Yes he is in love with Cameron. However the plan is the result of three very powerful AI working together. Thus it is foolish to dismiss where S3 may be going because of JC motives in doing exactly what the AI expected he woudl do. Do you find this valuable?    
demonking5
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93. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:26 PM EDT
everyone has views on this Jameron's Anti Jameron's and Neutrals but because 3 is unlikely to happen (unless fox admits they were wrong) then no one knows what would have happened. Thus all theory's and ideas and pure speculation 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

Timeloop
94. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:27 PM EDT
"I doubt that Cameron wanted John to follow her. Otherwise the message would not have said "I'm sorry, John." It would have said "Come with me" or something. I strongly believe that part of the reason why Cameron went into the future was to get away from John, leaving him with Sarah to protect him. Cameron knew she was a threat to John, and leaving him would protect him from herself."
The three AI planned for both contingencies . However CW certainly expected JC to follow her and even was ready for Sarah and Ellison to follow. Born to Run made it clear that CW and JH were linked up during the whole decision process in which the plan was evolved . Do you find this valuable?    

Gusar
95. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:27 PM EDT
"I saw the look that John gave Alison"
Because he thought he saw Cameron. His smile quickly disappeared when he realized it's not Cameron. But I guess your brain didn't pick that up or selectively forgot about it. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Sully889
96. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:33 PM EDT
"Because he thought he saw Cameron. His smile quickly disappeared when he realized it's not Cameron. But I guess your brain didn't pick that up or selectively forgot about it."
There are two different ways to look at that, the way you choose to doesn't mean you're correct. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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97. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:37 PM EDT
"The three AI planned for both contingencies . However CW certainly expected JC to follow her and even was ready for Sarah and Ellison to follow. Born to Run made it clear that CW and JH were linked up during the whole decision process in which the plan was evolved . "
This is another one of your personal own ideas that no one here agrees with, that somehow Cameron and Weaver have been following a plan. There is not one thing in the show to conclude this, never mind a last minute decision between them forcing JC to decide to enter the TDE. I believe they (Weaver and Cameron) were aware of each other ,but there had been no recent planning or communication between Cameron and JH until they physically met. When the ramifications of who and what they are could be communicated and logical decisions reached in a matter of seconds, like it was. Do you find this valuable?    

Gusar
98. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:38 PM EDT
"There are two different ways to look at that, the way you choose to doesn't mean you're correct."
What's the other way exactly? I'm genuinely asking because my way is the only one I see. Do you find this valuable?    

Sully889
99. RE: Sarah Connor producer on how the show would have continued
Jun 12 2009, 2:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 2:41 PM EDT
"What's the other way exactly? I'm genuinely asking because my way is the only one I see."
That an innocent human being was killed so Cameron could take her place. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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