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IvyMike |
120. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 9:14 PM EDT
"No, it doesn't matter how Cameron came to be (I'm sure it mattered to Alison). The point of this thread is not if people thought Cameron was real or not, but whether T-bots are androids or cyborgs; machines or living beings with mechanical parts."Indeed. I'm just asking whether the living part of a cyborg needs to be biological, or, can a non-biological entity be consdered alive? "BTW Ivy, I was just messing around earlier with that recipe post I did." Of course, no reason we can't have a little fun! Do you find this valuable? |
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IvyMike |
121. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 9:20 PM EDT
"If we believe some futurists by 2050 we will be able to upload a human mind onto a chip . If we then repalce a human's brain with that chip what do we call the result ? "We've seen on this wiki links to experiments of scientists trying to emulate a rat's brain on a computer: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/dec/20/research.it When they switch off the computer, are they killing something that's alive? Should we call Animal Welfare? ;-) Do you find this valuable? |
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cp442 |
122. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 9:21 PM EDT
"Indeed. I'm just asking whether the living part of a cyborg needs to be biological, or, can a non-biological entity be consdered alive?Philosophically speaking, I'd say a purely inorganic entity could be considered "living", in that if it suffers catastrophic failure/damage, it could "die". Electricity/power gives it life, animates it, however you want to call it. Pragmatically speaking, however, no, it can't be called "alive"; it'd be like calling a car "alive". But if the advanced machine would become sentient, etc., it would be far more difficult to think of it as anything but alive, even if it could never be classified as such. Do you find this valuable? |
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IvyMike |
123. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 9:27 PM EDT
"I would use an absolutist approach to the definition of cyborg; anything artificially implanted that imparts any change to the augmented person.We use language and mathematics, we learn to read and write, we use abstract concepts such as money... these are not physical objects of course but they are "artifically implanted"; and they change or augment our lives. Do you find this valuable? |
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124. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 9:29 PM EDT
"We use language and mathematics, we learn to read and write, we use abstract concepts such as money... these are not physical objects of course but they are "artifically implanted"; and they change or augment our lives."True... but for the sake of simplicity, I'd like to remain in the realm of the tangible. Do you find this valuable? |
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R.Daneel_Olivaw |
125. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 9:37 PM EDT
"Indeed. I'm just asking whether the living part of a cyborg needs to be biological, or, can a non-biological entity be consdered alive?You need an organic component to satisfy the cyb-org label. Do you find this valuable? |
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MetalHunter |
126. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 9:40 PM EDT
"You need an organic component to satisfy the cyb-org label."The *living tissue* (skin, secondary muscles, etc) is enough? :P Do you find this valuable? |
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Birdman117 |
127. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 10:04 PM EDT
"Do androids dream of electric sheep?"
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128. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 10:06 PM EDT
""Do androids dream of electric sheep?" "Shut up! You kill a innocent thread! It's our fun! :P Do you find this valuable? |
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CamDer |
129. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 10:09 PM EDT
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""Do androids dream of electric sheep?" "That's food for thought, right there. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
130. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 10:52 PM EDT
"Indeed. I'm just asking whether the living part of a cyborg needs to be biological, or, can a non-biological entity be consdered alive?I guess that would depend on how you define life. That question's been debated throughout history by philosophers, theologians and scientists. One of my favorite eps of Star Trek: TNG was when Picard defended Cmdr. Data in a trial to determine if Data was alive, and if he should have rights as an android. The argument, as I recall, centered on whether Data was a living, sentient being. IF TSCC continued, I think we'd have seen Cameron gradually become more of an individual; not just a fancy robot, but a cybernetic being. Do you find this valuable? |
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Hyperalloy |
131. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 10:54 PM EDT
"I guess that would depend on how you define life. That question's been debated throughout history by philosophers, theologians and scientists.Just popping in to say that I too loved that episode and the implications thereof. The title was, "The Measure of a Man." Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
132. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:03 PM EDT
"You need an organic component to satisfy the cyb-org label."...And the organic component has to be primary over the cybernetic, I think. In other words, the mechanical must serve the organism's existence and purpose for the cyborg label to apply. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
133. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:05 PM EDT
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"Just popping in to say that I too loved that episode and the implications thereof. The title was, "The Measure of a Man.""Thanks! I never knew the title. I want to see it again. Do you find this valuable? |
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Birdman117 |
134. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:06 PM EDT
"Just popping in to say that I too loved that episode and the implications thereof. The title was, "The Measure of a Man.""That was a very good episode. And it brought up good questions regarding sentient machines and their rights, which I think is in issue we may face some where in the distant future. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
135. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:08 PM EDT
"That was a very good episode. And it brought up good questions regarding sentient machines and their rights, which I think is in issue we may face some where in the distant future. "I think so too. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
136. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:17 PM EDT
Does anyone remember USS Voyager's bio-neural gel packs? The organic material they used to run the ship's systems? I always thought that was interesting.
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Aaronalxzdr |
137. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:19 PM EDT
""Do androids dream of electric sheep?" "That sounds familiar. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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R.Daneel_Olivaw |
138. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:31 PM EDT
"IF TSCC continued, I think we'd have seen Cameron gradually become more of an individual; not just a fancy robot, but a cybernetic being. "We prefer to be called 'people of artificial origin'. jk. Playing my pseudonym. Do you find this valuable? |