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MetalShifter |
20. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 21 2009, 2:30 PM EDT
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"This is what i originally thought Cameron was. I think it may have been a cool route fo the show to take, and certainly would have made the John/Cam shipping much more believable. Up until AFP aired, it certainly could have been that way. But as it turns out, she is just a plain-Jane T-800 style Terminator with a few technological upgrades (smarter chip, ability to eat, color vision etc.)... and then she totally gonna get him to make out with her once, you forgot! *lol* 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
21. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 21 2009, 2:38 PM EDT
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"This is what i originally thought Cameron was. I think it may have been a cool route fo the show to take, and certainly would have made the John/Cam shipping much more believable. Up until AFP aired, it certainly could have been that way. But as it turns out, she is just a plain-Jane T-800 style Terminator with a few technological upgrades (smarter chip, ability to eat, color vision etc.)A cyborg Allison would make John/Cam shipping more believable. I could see a John/Cam ship, depending on how it was handled. First they'd have to demonstrate Cameron was capable of emotion as well as pleasure, not simply mimicking those things. I doubt it would last long if John knew she was just acting and incapable of feeling anything. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
22. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 21 2009, 2:42 PM EDT
"This is something my brother, Thecomputerw, tried to make but he was booed out of Dodge. "Yeah, that happens a lot on this wiki, especially when talking about Cameron. It's like walking on eggshells. Sad. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
23. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 21 2009, 2:52 PM EDT
I've always believed Cameron was capable of an intimate encounter, especially after "Vick's Chip." I'm not convinced she's capable of "experiencing" intimacy as a human does.
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ScotWithOne_t |
24. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 21 2009, 3:02 PM EDT
"... and then she totally gonna get him to make out with her once, you forgot! *lol*"I am a Temporal Cupid model TC-77 (my friends call me Tee-See, or Double-Sev') My mission is to hook up Mr. Connor and Miss Young. My weapons are Imagination-Stretcing Arrows, Canon-Braking Cannon, and a bale of straws to grasp at. I also have a magical Gibson SG, and every time I break out into a wailing guitar solo, all males and females within earshot become uncontrollable horny. It's the perfect combo make Jallison magic happen. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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25. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 4:11 AM EDT
"I've always believed Cameron was capable of an intimate encounter, especially after "Vick's Chip." I'm not convinced she's capable of "experiencing" intimacy as a human does. "Intimacy is about social barriers, and what one allows inside them. For most humans physical and emotional closeness are reserved for familiar trusted individuals like family and friends. Camerons definition of intimacy would depend on her definition of barriers. Perhaps she has some basic drive to protect her power supply, and the motel scene where John was allowed to touch it was for her, intimate. Defining moments in the growth of a relationship are often based on moments of shared intimacy. This is only possible when the concept of intimacy is also shared. This sharing is one aspect of 'compatability'. I don't believe Vick Chamberlain's relationship with his 'wife' was intimate for him, he was simply following a personality program designed to produce the proper reaction from her. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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26. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 4:52 AM EDT
"I don't believe Vick Chamberlain's relationship with his 'wife' was intimate for him, he was simply following a personality program designed to produce the proper reaction from her."Very good scene that when Cameron said: "That was effective". Do you find this valuable? |
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27. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 5:13 AM EDT
To be a cyborg it would have to have something from a "human" , marcus had a heart and maybe his own human brain. i think the brain would be the main reasn to make a cyborg, what would be the point in something all machine, but it has a human eye or leg or hand ? 6 million dollar man had machine legs and I think 1 machine eye, 1 machine arm? but rest was human, so he was a sensible "cyborg". Cameron had skin but it wasnt from a human, it has rapid healing abilities, so was skin that was made or grown in factory/ lab. she would be a android, but who cares if she is android or cyborg? and all terminators aside from marcus have been androids not cyborgs. I think the reason for this is cyborg just sounds better than android, also sounds meaner, scarier. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
28. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 6:39 AM EDT
"I am a Temporal Cupid model TC-77 (my friends call me Tee-See, or Double-Sev') My mission is to hook up Mr. Connor and Miss Young. My weapons are Imagination-Stretcing Arrows, Canon-Braking Cannon, and a bale of straws to grasp at. I also have a magical Gibson SG, and every time I break out into a wailing guitar solo, all males and females within earshot become uncontrollable horny. It's the perfect combo make Jallison magic happen. "Nice lyrics. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
29. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 6:40 AM EDT
" Intimacy is about social barriers, and what one allows inside them. For most humans physical and emotional closeness are reserved for familiar trusted individuals like family and friends.I got off topic. Do you find this valuable? |
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intrepid |
30. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 6:43 AM EDT
"To be a cyborg it would have to have something from a "human" , marcus had a heart and maybe his own human brain. i think the brain would be the main reasn to make a cyborg, what would be the point in something all machine, but it has a human eye or leg or hand ?Funny you should bring up the Six Million Dollar Man because the book that series was based on was called “Cyborg.” Strictly speaking, Terminators are nether androids or cyborgs but robots in the classical sense. A cyborg is an organic being that has had some of it's organic components replaced with artificial components. Example, the Borg/Cybermen/Daleks/Marcus/Steve Austin A android is a completely artificial being made in human form. Example, Data/Ash A robot can be anything in shape or size but in scifi denotes a mechanical automation. Because Terminator's are Endo's and don't require or depend on the organic parts to function they are not cyborgs, and in Endo form do not appear human so aren't androids. However when these designations were coined there was no description for a robot that is made to look human with organic parts, so because we need to call it something, stretching either description, to cover a Endo in infiltration disguise, isn't strictly breaking any rule, but isn't what I call a good fit. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
31. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:11 AM EDT
"To be a cyborg it would have to have something from a "human" , marcus had a heart and maybe his own human brain. i think the brain would be the main reasn to make a cyborg, what would be the point in something all machine, but it has a human eye or leg or hand ?A cybernetic organism wouldn't necessarily need human organs, nor would it have to be human, ie, bioengineered microorganisms, a liver or kidney with a regulating computer chip, an artificial heart, or maybe a dog or cat with mechanical limbs. The $6 Mil. Man. Was he a cyborg, or just a guy with expensive high-performance prosthetics? How modified should a person become before he/she's considered a cyborg? Cameron's a sophisticated machine with bioengineered tissues and organs. An android (or gynoid), though as you say cyborg sounds better. BTW, there's a recent story about a blind woman who regained partial vision with eye implants and special glasses. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
32. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:13 AM EDT
"Funny you should bring up the Six Million Dollar Man because the book that series was based on was called “Cyborg.”Good points. Do you find this valuable? |
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R.Daneel_Olivaw |
33. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:41 AM EDT
"I got off topic."So did I, sorry. Pretty short topic tho. Thread title says it all. Do you find this valuable? |
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34. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:17 AM EDT
"I agree on your points except this last part about endos being androids. Some of them like a Harvester or a moto-terminator aren't androids, but the endoskeletons I think are open to interpretation. Do you find this valuable? |
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Aaronalxzdr |
35. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 11:55 AM EDT
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To what extent should we allow machines (robots, androids, etc) to replace human beings in performing tasks? This question has often come up in manufacturing industries like when automobile plants became automated. Also, how far should science and technology go in merging man and machine? Do we want to see Marcus Wrights running around society? Do we want to see machines that can fool us into thinking that they're real people? Do you find this valuable? |
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36. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 12:06 PM EDT
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"So did I, sorry.No problemo, RDO. I guess the topic is a bit narrow. I want to avoid this lapsing into a shipper-war thread, is all. Do you find this valuable? |
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37. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 12:09 PM EDT
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Aaronalxzdr |
38. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 12:18 PM EDT
"post removed"Don't by shy CamDer. if you want to post a comment about whether androids make better lovers than cyborgs, or vis versa, go right ahead. lol Do you find this valuable? |
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39. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 12:20 PM EDT
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"To what extent should we allow machines (robots, androids, etc) to replace human beings in performing tasks? This question has often come up in manufacturing industries like when automobile plants became automated.Everything, human just sit around, eats, plays, xxx, sleeps... reproduce... let machines do all the work. how about that? May be to the point we only need our spine and brain to be human, the rest is machine. No, we do not want to see Marcus Wrights alike running around, we human always afraid of other being that more powerful than normal human body capable. Nah, but if the strength of the machine structure is lest or equal normal human body then may be, like a normal human can hand-to-hand and defeat a machine then it's not a big deal, but machine like Terminator or Marcus? No way. Do you find this valuable? |