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Aaronalxzdr
60. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 3:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 3:41 PM EDT
"It is possible that you have the right ...

To be honest, I see the situation as follows:

United States: They see robots as some slaves (prejudices?) And are interested to build *slaves*. For example, autonomous combat planes, which have a master confirming mission. Above Iraq, now flying American robot planes, who choose the *target* but the target is *confirmed* by a remote man.

Japan: They are interested in civil way of Robotics, they will build the robot companions. Soon, in Japan you can buy a Robo-Girl companion. :P

Russia: They are interested to build cybernetic soldiers, to take decisions themselves and to be effective weapons on the front. Here will appear the Terminators and aerial Hunter/Killers.

And the Americans will buy Japanese Robo-Girls and they will be hide in tunnels, fearing Russian Terminators and aerial Hunter/Killers... ;) "
lol. Too funny.
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IvyMike
IvyMike
61. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 4:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 4:36 PM EDT
"A cybernetic organism wouldn't necessarily need human organs, nor would it have to be human, ie, bioengineered microorganisms, a liver or kidney with a regulating computer chip, an artificial heart, or maybe a dog or cat with mechanical limbs.

The $6 Mil. Man. Was he a cyborg, or just a guy with expensive high-performance prosthetics? How modified should a person become before he/she's considered a cyborg?

Cameron's a sophisticated machine with bioengineered tissues and organs. An android (or gynoid), though as you say cyborg sounds better.

BTW, there's a recent story about a blind woman who regained partial vision with eye implants and special glasses. "
Cameron was made to pass as human in a future society in which people are very much on the look out for fakes. She was built to look, talk, act and think like a human. She was intended to be a substitute, an indistinguishable replacement for Allison.

How modified should a machine become before it is considered a cyborg?
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Munter
Munter
62. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 4:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 4:43 PM EDT
"Cameron was made to pass as human in a future society in which people are very much on the look out for fakes. She was built to look, talk, act and think like a human. She was intended to be a substitute, an indistinguishable replacement for Allison.

How modified should a machine become before it is considered a cyborg?"
I think the pertinent question is .......how modified should a human (or other organism) be before it is considered a cyborg? As the modification is done TO the organism.....the organism IS the starting point.

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MetalHunter
63. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 4:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 4:56 PM EDT
"I think the pertinent question is .......how modified should a human (or other organism) be before it is considered a cyborg? As the modification is done TO the organism.....the organism IS the starting point.

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And a complete artificial human-like organism, but completely biological (like the Blade Runner "Machines'), is a human, cyborg or a android? :P
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MetalHunter
64. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 4:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 4:55 PM EDT
Second idiot question:

Imagine a lobotimized Allison, that have in her head a mini nuclear source and a chip port designed for TOK-715 class. She is a completely human body and fully functional, even able to make children to John but, THIS body is driven by a Neural Net Processor (eg Cameron's chip). "She" is human, cyborg or android?
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Munter
Munter
65. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 5:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 5:08 PM EDT
"And a complete artificial human-like organism, but completely biological (like the Blade Runner "Machines'), is a human, cyborg or a android? :P"
I would say the 'replicants' are androids because they were created in a lab enviroment and were never alive to start with.

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Munter
Munter
66. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 5:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 5:11 PM EDT
"Second idiot question:

Imagine a lobotimized Allison, that have in her head a mini nuclear source and a chip port designed for TOK-715 class. She is a completely human body and fully functional, even able to make children to John but, THIS body is driven by a Neural Net Processor (eg Cameron's chip). "She" is human, cyborg or android?"
I think abomination would be the correct answer for that situation.

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TK-MR
TK-MR
67. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 5:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 5:19 PM EDT
"Second idiot question:

Imagine a lobotimized Allison, that have in her head a mini nuclear source and a chip port designed for TOK-715 class. She is a completely human body and fully functional, even able to make children to John but, THIS body is driven by a Neural Net Processor (eg Cameron's chip). "She" is human, cyborg or android?"
Android. her core being developed from a AI running in a chip. pulls the chip, plugs it in a machine body, she would still 'alive' and function so to speak.
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IvyMike
IvyMike
68. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 5:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 5:42 PM EDT
"I think the pertinent question is .......how modified should a human (or other organism) be before it is considered a cyborg? As the modification is done TO the organism.....the organism IS the starting point.

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In Cameron's case, the starting point was Allison.

A thought experiment: let's replace a single neuron in your brain with an artificial neuron, one that behaves in exactly the same way as a "real" one. Technically you are now a cybernetic organism, but you're still you, right?

Now let's replace another neuron, and another and another until there are no original neurons left. Now are you still you? If not, at which point did you cease to become you?

Of course I'm not saying that's how Cameron was made, it's just an analogy.

Another approach: lets call for volunteers to tell Cameron that she isn't a cybernetic organism; she's just a machine, and they can report back to us with their results... if they can ;-)
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TOK792
TOK792
69. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:15 PM EDT
Terminators are cyborgs in the sense that they require their organic components in order to fulfill their mission. They're created to complete a task, not simply to live, so in a sense they are cyborgs. Although it is to be considered that Skynet may simply have redefined the meaning of the term cyborg. And why not? It is an artificial intelligence, after all. Do you find this valuable?    

DeadpooI
70. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:16 PM EDT
"Cyborg" sounds badass.
"Android" sounds lame.

Therefore terminators are cyborgs.
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cp442
cp442
71. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:22 PM EDT
""Cyborg" sounds badass.
"Android" sounds lame.

Therefore terminators are cyborgs. "
Good enough reasoning for me.
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Munter
Munter
72. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:28 PM EDT
@IvyMike - I meant the physical starting point ie. a human (or organism) to be physically modified, not just the blueprints of the design ie. Allison

@Veran - Surely a cyborg is a symbiosis of organic and artificial entities that depend on each other to function, that is, to exist..........not just a creation to perform a mission.

@Deadpool - Cyborg does sound better than Android

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Timeloop
73. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:32 PM EDT
"In Cameron's case, the starting point was Allison.

A thought experiment: let's replace a single neuron in your brain with an artificial neuron, one that behaves in exactly the same way as a "real" one. Technically you are now a cybernetic organism, but you're still you, right?

Now let's replace another neuron, and another and another until there are no original neurons left. Now are you still you? If not, at which point did you cease to become you?

Of course I'm not saying that's how Cameron was made, it's just an analogy.

Another approach: lets call for volunteers to tell Cameron that she isn't a cybernetic organism; she's just a machine, and they can report back to us with their results... if they can ;-)"
Cameron is a cyborg because a significant part of her AI implements a human (Allison) neural network .
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Aaronalxzdr
74. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:36 PM EDT
"Cameron was made to pass as human in a future society in which people are very much on the look out for fakes. She was built to look, talk, act and think like a human. She was intended to be a substitute, an indistinguishable replacement for Allison.

How modified should a machine become before it is considered a cyborg?"
Let's see.
Cyborg = Cybernetic organism. Part human, part machine.
Organism = A living thing.

Now, how to modify a machine and make it into a living breathing cyborg... add amino acids to protein mix, season with a dash of deoxyribonucleic acid, add couple dozen base-pairs, carry the Y chromosome over there (cause our Cammy's a girl ;), map a few more genes, aaaand...

Now with a tiiiiny miracle and/or a liiiiittle bitty magic, we can turn a "machine" into a real "live" cyborg :)

Next week, we'll turn stone into bread, and then part the Red Sea :)
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TOK792
TOK792
75. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:37 PM EDT
"Cameron is a cyborg because a significant part of her AI implements a human (Allison) neural network . "
She has a file among many other files that contains a personality profile that she can access at any time. That isn't cybernetic. Leave your wild theories at the door.

@Munter: it all depends on Skynet's interpretation of the term "cyborg".
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Munter
Munter
76. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:37 PM EDT
"A thought experiment: let's replace a single neuron in your brain with an artificial neuron, one that behaves in exactly the same way as a "real" one. Technically you are now a cybernetic organism, but you're still you, right?

Now let's replace another neuron, and another and another until there are no original neurons left. Now are you still you? If not, at which point did you cease to become you?
"
I suppose that depends on how open you are to accept other forms of life as 'valid'

**having neatly side stepped that question Munter saunters off to consider a life in politics**

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cp442
cp442
77. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:39 PM EDT
I guess I'll try to answer seriously for a change...

I'd say Terminators are neither Androids nor Cyborgs.

From my understanding of the android in science fiction, and from its literal meaning, it is a strictly artificial construct; the living tissue overlay of a Termi thereby negates this classification.

A cyborg is usually an inherently organic entity that has been augmented; Termi's technically don't fulfill this criteria, either.

If I had to classify a Terminator, I'd simply call it an artificial organism; it has organic components, but is otherwise entirely an artificial construct. In fact, the only thing that makes it a biological entity, its skin, is of a manufactured and unnatural origin as well. So, Terminators can be called artorgs. That sounds great, doesn't it?
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CamDer
CamDer
78. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:39 PM EDT
"Let's see.
Cyborg = Cybernetic organism. Part human, part machine.
Organism = A living thing.

Now, how to modify a machine and make it into a living breathing cyborg... add amino acids to protein mix, season with a dash of deoxyribonucleic acid, add couple dozen base-pairs, carry the Y chromosome over there (cause our Cammy's a girl ;), map a few more genes, aaaand...

Now with a tiiiiny miracle and/or a liiiiittle bitty magic, we can turn a "machine" into a real "live" cyborg :)

Next week, we'll turn stone into bread, and then part the Red Sea :)"
LOL, then we'll walk on water
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tk1000
tk1000
79. RE: Terminators are Androids not Cyborgs
Jun 22 2009, 7:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2009, 7:40 PM EDT
"Cameron is a cyborg because a significant part of her AI implements a human (Allison) neural network . "
....annnd, where do you base this "revelation" on? we all seen Cameron's chip, and last I recall, there were no squishy brain parts on it.
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