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mannymore
mannymore
Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 8:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 8:46 AM EDT
In this episode when Cameron is pinned between the trucks & utters those words "I love you & you love me" ..Is this just her trying at "anything" to get free to kill JC.?
Alternatively could it show she had knowledge of a "relationship" with JC in the future if so, was it as Cameron or as Alison's memories surfacing ? I can't find any evidence to prove it as, in "Alison from Palmdale" she appears to not know JC at all when he tries to take from the hostel. The "Alison" memories are very vivid & sparked by things seen around her. Why did she not know JC when she saw him?
Later in the series Cameron talks about JC being lonely in the future & how they talk a lot. so, does that dis-prove Alison was ever his love interest?
With the time jump at the end of Season 2 Alison could well now come into play as JC is now looking about her age & is unknown .
Could this have lead to showing the creation of Cameron by Skynet( I forget the date she said she was created) , giving a full circle explanation of the series story.
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Zkyire
Zkyire
1. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 9:12 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 9:12 AM EDT
"In this episode when Cameron is pinned between the trucks & utters those words "I love you & you love me" ..Is this just her trying at "anything" to get free to kill JC.?
Alternatively could it show she had knowledge of a "relationship" with JC in the future if so, was it as Cameron or as Alison's memories surfacing ? I can't find any evidence to prove it as, in "Alison from Palmdale" she appears to not know JC at all when he tries to take from the hostel. The "Alison" memories are very vivid & sparked by things seen around her. Why did she not know JC when she saw him?
Later in the series Cameron talks about JC being lonely in the future & how they talk a lot. so, does that dis-prove Alison was ever his love interest?
With the time jump at the end of Season 2 Alison could well now come into play as JC is now looking about her age & is unknown .
Could this have lead to showing the creation of Cameron by Skynet( I forget the date she said she was created) , giving a full circle explanation of the series story.
Any thoughts ?"
She was in Kill John Connor mode and was saying anything she could to not get deactivated.

The proof of this is later in the episode when John puts the chip back in, at that point Cameron has to make the decision to override the kill command.

If they were in the warehouse and she had already "ran a test" and fixed it, she wouldn't have had to make the decision later in the episode. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

ebshumidors
2. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 11:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 11:00 AM EDT
That explains the 'I love you' part, but why does she say 'and you love me'? Do you find this valuable?    
Zkyire
Zkyire
3. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 11:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 11:11 AM EDT
"That explains the 'I love you' part, but why does she say 'and you love me'? "
Throughout the first season, it was pretty evident that John was physically attracted to Cameron. And she knew it.

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ebshumidors
4. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 11:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 11:19 AM EDT
Could be , or is there a future Allison connection? Do you find this valuable?    
Zkyire
Zkyire
5. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 12:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 12:35 PM EDT
"Could be , or is there a future Allison connection?"
Pretty sure it's just 'cause she's hot. :P

If John ONLY found Allison attractive, I could understand having a thing, in turn, for Cameron. But he's shown signs of attraction to several people.

So I don't think it's any foreshadowing with regards to Allison or anything.

Summer, and by that extension Cameron, is hot. End. :P Do you find this valuable?    
ScotWithOne_t
ScotWithOne_t
6. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 1:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 1:29 PM EDT
"That explains the 'I love you' part, but why does she say 'and you love me'? "
She's not stupid. She can see the tent he pitches when she walks by in her undies. She was desperate so she (like many women) tried to use sex to get what she wanted.

I don't think there is any Allison connection in that scene. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
mannymore
mannymore
7. Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 6:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 6:44 PM EDT
I still think there was more to the way the plea was delivered...........she was a machine & never in the past encounters has a Terminator pleaded for their existance, it's been all one dimensional kill without compasion or protect JC whatever. No feelings shown !
She gave a more human reaction to the threat of being "killed " something different, that may have come from Allison's stored memories.
If she had recognised JC at the hostel in some way even just a " I know that guy from somewhere" it would have made some sense to me.
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Gusar
8. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 6:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 6:50 PM EDT
"I still think there was more to the way the plea was delivered...........she was a machine & never in the past encounters has a Terminator pleaded for their existance, it's been all one dimensional kill without compasion or protect JC whatever. No feelings shown !
She gave a more human reaction to the threat of being "killed " something different, that may have come from Allison's stored memories.
If she had recognised JC at the hostel in some way even just a " I know that guy from somewhere" it would have made some sense to me.
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She pleaded for her existence, yes. And that was quite special, I agree there. Being aware of ones existence and being afraid that said existence might end... that's something, considering we're talking about a machine here. But I don't think it has anything to do with Allison. I don't see how. It was about a being struggling for survival. Do you find this valuable?    
TOK792
TOK792
9. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 6:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 6:55 PM EDT
"She pleaded for her existence, yes. And that was quite special, I agree there. Being aware of ones existence and being afraid that said existence might end... that's something, considering we're talking about a machine here. But I don't think it has anything to do with Allison. I don't see how. It was about a being struggling for survival."
Vick didn't plea to Cameron to spare him when she was wrenching his chip out.

She *is* special. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

kaotic
10. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 6:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 6:59 PM EDT
"Vick didn't plea to Cameron to spare him when she was wrenching his chip out.

She *is* special."
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DeadpooI
11. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 7:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 7:02 PM EDT
"1) Vick didn't plea to Cameron to spare him when she was wrenching his chip out.

2) She *is* special."
1) You could argue that there's no point in Vick pleading though.
While "Evil Cam" knows that John loves "Good Cam" (and that he is desperate to save her), Vick knows that nobody loves Vick...
Apart from that dead woman in the shower... Who's dead...

2) This (regardless of what I just said). Do you find this valuable?    
TOK792
TOK792
12. RE: Jameron/Cameron's Plea s02 ep01
Jul 5 2009, 7:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 7:09 PM EDT
"1) You could argue that there's no point in Vick pleading though.
While "Evil Cam" knows that John loves "Good Cam" (and that he is desperate to save her), Vick knows that nobody loves Vick...
Apart from that dead woman in the shower... Who's dead...

2) This (regardless of what I just said). "
Poor Vick. :'( Do you find this valuable?