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toasty2 |
Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 4:01 PM EDT
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Before they captured tons of plasma rifles (and before they even existed), what do you think the resistance had the most luck with?I'm not a weapons expert, but I assume they generally wanted heavier ammunition...7.62 would be preferable to 5.56. And obviously a .50 Barrett would be very good, but what about more conventional weapons? Would they want to use a M14 with armor piercing ammunition? What other guns? And what about sidearms? I'm just trying to get a good idea for my fic, but this is also an interesting topic. Keep in mind, these weapons would mostly be used against T-600's or other primitive models. Edit: Talk about plasma weapons is okay, but projectile weapons are the preferred topic. Do you find this valuable?
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Gulde |
1. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 4:07 PM EDT
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Don't think, that they have some options in this, when US Army have standard weapons with 5.56 NATO rounds, they must rely on what they have. But 50.cals should be most effective in terminating Terminators. Maybe even some flamethrowers (CPUs and heat are not good friends). Do you find this valuable? |
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TermFan1980 |
2. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 4:24 PM EDT
The T-600s were quite a bit weaker than the T-800s, at least according to T4. John shot a T600 point blank with an M16 variant (5.56) in the head and it penetrated. Later, he shot the hell out of another one with an M60 (7.62x51) 5.56 bullets had little to no effect on Arnie in T1 in the police station. In one of my fanfics (writen before the episode with Derek's .50) I proposed that the resistance used hardened, armor piercing, 30-06 bullets to fight against the machines before plasma rifles were available. I imagine that powerful sidearms, such as .357 Magnum, .44 magnum, and .50AE would be decent against T-600s, but worthless against T-800s. Do you find this valuable? |
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Gulde |
3. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 4:33 PM EDT
Thats the problem, in T4, T-600s were weaker than T-800s, but everywhere else is written, that T-800s were weaker than T-600s (because they have been designated mainly for infiltration). But maybe that they have better armor than T-600s, but their force is weaker than T-600s (they are smaller (or should be) than T-600s).
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toasty2 |
4. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 4:39 PM EDT
I'm not saying they would be able to pick and choose the ideal weapon. I'm mostly wondering what JC and his good soldiers would carry earlier in the war, and what the lucky folk would have that let them survive encounters..50 cal would almost be a waste on a T-600, and it can only really be used in a sniping situation. I'm talking more about assault rifles. Though not a bad choice, I don't think 5.56 would be considered ideal. Do you find this valuable? |
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m1919 |
5. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 4:43 PM EDT
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Whatever they can get their hands on is ideal. It's post J-day, they don't have that much choice about what they can use. That means they'll have anything from 5.56x45mm all they way to .50BMG. They'll scavenge weapons from downed units, get weapons from pre-war stockpiles they happen to come across, and they'll improvise.
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Gulde |
6. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 4:46 PM EDT
"Whatever they can get their hands on is ideal. It's post J-day, they don't have that much choice about what they can use."Well, they still can use good old stones and sticks ^^ Do you find this valuable? |
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m1919 |
7. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 4:49 PM EDT
Scavenged weaponry from downed units would probably make a up a lot of the Resistance's heavier mounted armaments. Improvised traps and chokepoints would also play a large part in Resistance tactics as well.
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R.Daneel_Olivaw |
8. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 5:09 PM EDT
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RPGs and portable antitank weapons. Improvised explosives. Weapons like the ones being used by Iraqi insurgents against US hardware would probably work in many cases.
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MMM.MIND |
9. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 1 2009, 5:12 PM EDT
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"Before they captured tons of plasma rifles (and before they even existed), what do you think the resistance had the most luck with?You have a weapon for for target Skynet main battle tank-----Assault helicopter---- Antitank Weapon like Russia RPG--antitank mine SkYnet aircraft---stinger missile---40 mm antiarcraft cannon---- fighter aircraft Terminators------ 30 mm rifle --- RPG ---- Heavy number of 7.62 and 5.56 Rifles with pircing ammo ( 7 rifle per terminator must be enough)---- antitank mine --- 40 mm granade louncher with pircing ammo Do you find this valuable? |
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predaking50ae |
10. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 5:46 PM EDT
"The T-600s were quite a bit weaker than the T-800s, at least according to T4. John shot a T600 point blank with an M16 variant (5.56) in the head and it penetrated. Later, he shot the hell out of another one with an M60 (7.62x51)In T4, John Connor carried an HK416. That was the only good thing in the entire movie. 5.56x45mm is garbage when it comes to penetration. Tungsten M995 is rated for 1/2in of steel. That is plain old steel, not titanium or some advanced alloy. Why 30-06? My deer rifle is an aught-six, and I dislike the 308 for all but replacing my beloved cartridge, but there's no reason to use 30-06 instead of the more common 7.62x51mm. If you need greater velocity, then pull some 7.62's and load them into 300 Winchester Magnum cartridges. I have been considering doing this in my own fanfic. T-600's are said to be titanium even in T4, but the T-600's are clearly shown to be covered in rust. TITANIUM DOES NOT RUST. Even if termies are made out of iron, I can tell you that a .357 or .44mag will do nothing to them. My .50AE Desert Eagle will barely leave a mark on 1/2in high grade steel plate, but it punched a nice hole in the side of a 1970's Dodge Powerwagon engine block(which is made of iron). If they ARE titanium(as is canon), then I can't see any handguns damaging them. The 460 S&W might, but only because of the velocity. Titanium is just too durable for anything except very fast projectiles to damage it. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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predaking50ae |
11. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:02 PM EDT
@Gulde: Can you provide a source? Everything that I'm aware of from the extended universe has made it clear that the T-800 is stronger, faster, smarter, and more durable than the T-600 ever was.@Olivaw: RPG's aren't too common on US soil. :p AT-4's, SRAW's, and SMAW's are in use by US armed forces. The 40x46mm High Explosive Dual Purpose grenade can penetrate the armor of IFV's, and it comes out of grenade launchers like the M32, M320, M203A1, and M79. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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T169 |
12. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:07 PM EDT
I don't understand why they couldn't encase plasma weaponry in 'meatbags', cases surrounded by living tissue to allow jumping with TDE.
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T169 |
13. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:11 PM EDT
"Don't think, that they have some options in this, when US Army have standard weapons with 5.56 NATO rounds, they must rely on what they have.A coltan alloy was used in the endoskeleton rather than a titanium alloy due to its good heat resistance rather than strength (according to Cameron). I'm not sure whether flamethrowers would be able to have an effect of terminators. Primarily, flamethrowers incapacitate by pain rather than blood loss, internal injuries, etc. Even if they could burn through the terminators, it would take sometime in which the terminator is still battle capable. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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R.Daneel_Olivaw |
14. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:13 PM EDT
"@Gulde: Can you provide a source? Everything that I'm aware of from the extended universe has made it clear that the T-800 is stronger, faster, smarter, and more durable than the T-600 ever was.You seem pretty educated on this stuff. Thanks for the helpful info. And if Jday does happen, I'm heading for your neck of the woods. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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KrelleK |
15. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:16 PM EDT
"In T4, John Connor carried an HK416. That was the only good thing in the entire movie.what about a titanium tipped tungsten round or perhaps for mass, but hard to get tungsten, steel cattridge? if that is possible that is Do you find this valuable? |
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predaking50ae |
16. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:23 PM EDT
"Primarily, flamethrowers incapacitate by pain rather than blood loss, internal injuries, etc"Actually, flamethrowers incapacitate through suffocation. Also, the most effective napalm the US ever used was Napalm-B which is benzene, styrofoam, and gasoline. In T1, that tanker truck went up with a T-800 inside the cab, and the machine only took damage to its leg. After seeing the T-RIP get doused in molten metal and continue to function, I doubt that a little burning fuel is going to hurt a T-800. A titanium T-600 shouldn't be killed by a little fire, either. @Olivaw: If J-Day happens, you're welcome up here. ;) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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predaking50ae |
17. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:27 PM EDT
"what about a titanium tipped tungsten round or perhaps for mass, but hard to get tungsten, steel cattridge? if that is possible that is "Pure titanium isn't as hard as steel. It's just stronger. The T-600 is made from *alloyed* titanium, and would undoubtedly be harder and stronger than titanium. Do you find this valuable? |
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T169 |
18. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:28 PM EDT
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"Actually, flamethrowers incapacitate through suffocation.Learn something everyday :). What I use this information for, though, I'm unsure. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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m1919 |
19. RE: Pre-Plasma Weaponry
Aug 7 2009, 6:31 PM EDT
"Also, the most effective napalm the US ever used was Napalm-B which is benzene, styrofoam, and gasoline. In T1, that tanker truck went up with a T-800 inside the cab, and the machine only took damage to its leg."That T-800 was hit by the same truck it was driving when it exploded, that's when it sustained damage to its leg. Do you find this valuable? |