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SamStaurophobia
So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 12 2009, 12:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2009, 12:44 PM EDT
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/terminator/images/b/b7/Stark_Temporal_Error.jpg

Of Stark's star scanning thing here.

But apprently it ended up just being the lights on the Turk. It <i>could</i> still be a date, though.

And this article kind of excites me:

http://io9.com/5368511/

I wish they would just renew the show, though. How awesome would that be?
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SamStaurophobia
1. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 12 2009, 12:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2009, 12:55 PM EDT
Also, I think it's rather premature for people to assume that just because the actors are going on to different stuff, that they won't jump right back on the TSCC bandwagon, if it's renewed.

We'll have to wait and see what the actors and I guess their agents or whatever (Idk how all of that works) decide. I'm willing to bet my college enrollment (lol, Idk why I chose that) that if TSCC were renewed, Summer, Lena, and BAG will rejoin it, despite what they're currently working on.
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2. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 12 2009, 12:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2009, 12:56 PM EDT
"Also, I think it's rather premature for people to assume that just because the actors are going on to different stuff, that they won't jump right back on the TSCC bandwagon, if it's renewed.

We'll have to wait and see what the actors and I guess their agents or whatever (Idk how all of that works) decide. I'm willing to bet my college enrollment (lol, Idk why I chose that) that if TSCC were renewed, Summer, Lena, and BAG will rejoin it, despite what they're currently working on. "
*HOWEVER, I'm willing to bet my college enrollment (lol, Idk why I chose that) that if TSCC were renewed, Summer, Lena, and BAG will rejoin it, despite what they're currently working on.

Needed that word, there.
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3. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 12 2009, 1:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2009, 1:09 PM EDT
"http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/terminator/images/b/b7/Stark_Temporal_Error.jpg

Of Stark's star scanning thing here.

But apprently it ended up just being the lights on the Turk. It <i>could</i> still be a date, though.

And this article kind of excites me:

http://io9.com/5368511/

I wish they would just renew the show, though. How awesome would that be? "
The intended date was December 31, 1920, which of course was not the correct date that Myron Stark was supposed to arrive at.

I am no astronomer, but IMDB points out the following as an error:

"The movements of the stars in the HUD of both Cameron and the Stark terminator defy the laws of physics. Since the stars movements in the night sky are relative to the rotation of the Earth, their paths would be closer too curved parallel lines, not an intersecting triangular pattern as shown."

This would suggest that attempting to figure out the actual date that the positions of the stars implies would not be fruitful.

I'm glad you're encouraged by the io9 article. The wiki has discussed this news in multiple threads. You might be interested in some of the comments, so here's one:

http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/3320187/Producer%3A+Don%27t+Give+Up+On+The+Sarah+Connor+Chronicles!
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SamStaurophobia
4. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 12 2009, 3:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2009, 3:23 PM EDT
"The intended date was December 31, 1920, which of course was not the correct date that Myron Stark was supposed to arrive at.

I am no astronomer, but IMDB points out the following as an error:

"The movements of the stars in the HUD of both Cameron and the Stark terminator defy the laws of physics. Since the stars movements in the night sky are relative to the rotation of the Earth, their paths would be closer too curved parallel lines, not an intersecting triangular pattern as shown."

This would suggest that attempting to figure out the actual date that the positions of the stars implies would not be fruitful.

I'm glad you're encouraged by the io9 article. The wiki has discussed this news in multiple threads. You might be interested in some of the comments, so here's one:

http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/3320187/Producer%3A+Don%27t+Give+Up+On+The+Sarah+Connor+Chronicles!"
Mmmkay, even if does defy the laws of physics, I didn't mean it pointed to any of the two dates in the episode, I kind of thought that they might end up making the three dots indicate the position of the stars on Judgment Day or some other important date, maybe the defeat of Skynet now that J-Day's been pushed forward, or something like that.
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5. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 12 2009, 3:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2009, 3:34 PM EDT
"Mmmkay, even if does defy the laws of physics, I didn't mean it pointed to any of the two dates in the episode, I kind of thought that they might end up making the three dots indicate the position of the stars on Judgment Day or some other important date, maybe the defeat of Skynet now that J-Day's been pushed forward, or something like that."
Why would the position of the stars indicate some date in the future? I thought they were supposed to indicate the dates when they were observed, back in 1920 and later in 2008. If the producers wanted accuracy, they would have had the stars indicate these dates.

If the producers did not care, then the stars would be whatever the art department would have thrown together. It would be difficult for me to infer any meaning from them.
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SamStaurophobia
6. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 12 2009, 3:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2009, 3:51 PM EDT
"Why would the position of the stars indicate some date in the future? I thought they were supposed to indicate the dates when they were observed, back in 1920 and later in 2008. If the producers wanted accuracy, they would have had the stars indicate these dates.

If the producers did not care, then the stars would be whatever the art department would have thrown together. It would be difficult for me to infer any meaning from them."
No, that's not what I meant.

What I meant was I thought the three dots corresponded to a future date that could be inferred when looking at the three stars, you know?

The stars move, and they may eventually move into the same locations as the three dots and that may be an important day. See, if you look at the stars in 1920, they're slightly askew when compared to the three dots. They may eventually move to line up exactly with the three dots.
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7. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 12 2009, 4:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 12 2009, 4:02 PM EDT
"No, that's not what I meant.

What I meant was I thought the three dots corresponded to a future date that could be inferred when looking at the three stars, you know?

The stars move, and they may eventually move into the same locations as the three dots and that may be an important day. See, if you look at the stars in 1920, they're slightly askew when compared to the three dots. They may eventually move to line up exactly with the three dots. "
Ah, I see. Thank you for explaining.

Yes, that might be worth a look. (I always thought the three dots on the bloody wall were positioned very roughly reflecting only where Wells' fingers landed on the wall surface. Assuming sufficient precision to be usable for the calculation of star dating is a new thought to me.)
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SamStaurophobia
8. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 14 2009, 3:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 3:09 PM EDT
I remember looking at the stars a few nights ago and several reflected the three dots.

Also, slightly off topic, I have composed my own remix of the Terminator theme, and it is here:

http://www.myspace.com/vault101dwellerband

Feedback? It's the very last song on the list and I kind of tried to blend the evil Terminator music from T2 and the theme in a somber electronic tune. It's not meant to be danced to or any crap like that, it's meant to be more like a theme song or something, for a darker Terminator show or movie or story or whatever.
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9. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 14 2009, 4:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 4:21 PM EDT
"I remember looking at the stars a few nights ago and several reflected the three dots.

Also, slightly off topic, I have composed my own remix of the Terminator theme, and it is here:

http://www.myspace.com/vault101dwellerband

Feedback? It's the very last song on the list and I kind of tried to blend the evil Terminator music from T2 and the theme in a somber electronic tune. It's not meant to be danced to or any crap like that, it's meant to be more like a theme song or something, for a darker Terminator show or movie or story or whatever."
Nice! It would be good theme music. I was struck by the contrast between the smooth melodic expression of the T2 theme and the punchy staccato of the electronic beat. Interesting effect.
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10. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 14 2009, 5:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 5:10 PM EDT
""The movements of the stars in the HUD of both Cameron and the Stark terminator defy the laws of physics. Since the stars movements in the night sky are relative to the rotation of the Earth, their paths would be closer too curved parallel lines, not an intersecting triangular pattern as shown.""
Actually the author of that comment is wrong. He (or she) mixes two type of star movements: the one caused by Earth's rotation and the proper motion of stars. When I saw that scene I understood it as terminators have a catalog containing positions and proper motion of stars in their database. What we saw was 3 bright stars with high proper motions those positions were calculated for different time points. Comparing calculated positions with real ones Stark was able to identify the date.

And no, three dots on the wall can not indicate specific position of stars simply because nobody can position their finger with accuracy required for that.
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termi-ninja-tor
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11. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 14 2009, 5:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 5:23 PM EDT
"Actually the author of that comment is wrong. He (or she) mixes two type of star movements: the one caused by Earth's rotation and the proper motion of stars. When I saw that scene I understood it as terminators have a catalog containing positions and proper motion of stars in their database. What we saw was 3 bright stars with high proper motions those positions were calculated for different time points. Comparing calculated positions with real ones Stark was able to identify the date.

And no, three dots on the wall can not indicate specific position of stars simply because nobody can position their finger with accuracy required for that."
Thanks for clearing that up.
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SamStaurophobia
12. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 14 2009, 6:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 6:17 PM EDT
"Actually the author of that comment is wrong. He (or she) mixes two type of star movements: the one caused by Earth's rotation and the proper motion of stars. When I saw that scene I understood it as terminators have a catalog containing positions and proper motion of stars in their database. What we saw was 3 bright stars with high proper motions those positions were calculated for different time points. Comparing calculated positions with real ones Stark was able to identify the date.

And no, three dots on the wall can not indicate specific position of stars simply because nobody can position their finger with accuracy required for that."
Well, yeah, that makes sense, I was also thinking that maybe the positions of his fingers weren't intentional but would end up being important, but that's more BSG type stuff.

Also, at one point Derek pointed out that he saw the three dots on a belt, but I didn't see it. I know it's no big deal, but is there a picture of that or anything, so I can try to see what he saw? I doubt anyone would have screen capped that moment, but it would still be interesting to see it.








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13. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 14 2009, 6:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 6:27 PM EDT
Sarah's obsession with the three dotted symbol led her to Dakara Systems, a technology company whose logo includes the three-dot symbol, on the episode "Strange Things Happen At One Two Point".

IMHO, that was the extent of the meaning behind the three dots.

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14. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 14 2009, 7:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 7:04 PM EDT
Well, the Resistance fighter, Wells, who put the three dots on the bloody wall may have been referring to Turk 2/John Henry, at least is seems that way from the last scenes of Born to Run. We don't know for sure.

Also, perhaps unintentionally, the three dots caused Sarah to go to the UFO convention, which eventually led her to Desert Canyon Heat and Air and Winston. This got Sarah to investigate Western Iron and Metal where Winston zapped and drugged her and installed the tracking bug in her breast.

The tracking bug brought the water guy human assassins down on the Connor team, and John found Savannah's picture on the cell phone of one of these assassins. Following up on the Savannah's picture put the Connors in position to save her from the Water Guy terminator. And in turn this brought them to Zeira and John Henry and Weaver.

Without the three dots on the wall, Sarah would probably not have gone to the UFO convention and the other stuff might not have happened either.
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15. RE: So, I thought that the three dots may actually be a date, because...
Oct 14 2009, 7:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 7:11 PM EDT
"Well, the Resistance fighter, Wells, who put the three dots on the bloody wall may have been referring to Turk 2/John Henry, at least is seems that way from the last scenes of Born to Run. We don't know for sure.

Also, perhaps unintentionally, the three dots caused Sarah to go to the UFO convention, which eventually led her to Desert Canyon Heat and Air and Winston. This got Sarah to investigate Western Iron and Metal where Winston zapped and drugged her and installed the tracking bug in her breast.

The tracking bug brought the water guy human assassins down on the Connor team, and John found Savannah's picture on the cell phone of one of these assassins. Following up on the Savannah's picture put the Connors in position to save her from the Water Guy terminator. And in turn this brought them to Zeira and John Henry and Weaver.

Without the three dots on the wall, Sarah would probably not have gone to the UFO convention and the other stuff might not have happened either."
I was just going to post something like this but you beat me to it.
Whether intentional or not, the three dots ultimately led Sarah to the Desert Heat and Air series of events. Whether Sarah would have found it otherwise is up for debate.
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