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Fermi
Fermi
81. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 8:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 8:13 PM EDT
"No sympathy for anyone who gets drunk and gets behind the wheel of a car."
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SurfingEagle
SurfingEagle
82. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 8:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 8:45 PM EDT
"Then the blame is to be split 50/50.

Dekker should not have been behind the wheel whilst intoxicated.
The cyclist should not have been on a freeway on-ramp at night.

It's one of those things where, had this not happened, Dekker would've just driven home and slept it off (he may not have felt drunk at all). But by Sod's Law, some idiot just happened to be pulling a stunt in Dekker's path that night."
The court may factor in the fact that the kid was in a dangerous place, but see the kid is still technically a minor, and it's not illegal to ride a bike on the street at night. It may be illegal to ride a bike on a ramp, but that would be a very minor traffic violation, and not a moving vehicle violation, at that, because a bike is not considered a motorized vehicle, and it's not a registered vehicle either.. It would almost be comparable to walking on the ramp. So, I'm not sure what they can charge the kid with, but they can charge Dekker with DUI. Any violation the kid made would be minor compared to the DUI violation. Do you find this valuable?    

kaotic
83. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 8:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 8:23 PM EDT
"So, I'm not sure what they can charge the kid with, but they can charge Dekker with DUI. Any violation the kid made would be minor compared to the DUI violation."
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Kyrie
Kyrie
84. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 8:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 8:51 PM EDT
"The court may factor in the fact that the kid was in a dangerous place, but see the kid is still technically a minor, and it's not illegal to ride a bike on the street at night. It may be illegal to ride a bike on a ramp, but that would be a very minor traffic violation, and not a moving vehicle violation, at that, because a bike is not considered a motorized vehicle, and it's not a registered vehicle either.. It would almost be comparable to walking on the ramp. So, I'm not sure what they can charge the kid with, but they can charge Dekker with DUI. Any violation the kid made would be minor compared to the DUI violation."
Actually, where I am, if a bicycle violates traffic law, they can be issued a moving citation. Cyclists have the follow the same laws as motor vehicles. Not sure what the laws are in CA, though. Do you find this valuable?    
Birdman117
Birdman117
85. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 9:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 9:50 PM EDT
"Gusar, just read LM's post about it.


THAT'S why DUI over here is such a big deal. A friend of mine died because of a drunk driver when I was in high school."
Yes, the United States has a zero tolerance policy on DWI.

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Birdman117
Birdman117
86. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 9:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 9:53 PM EDT
"Thomas Dekker was arrested last night on suspicion of DUI.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/15/terminator-thomas-dekker-dui-driving-under-influence/"
I always knew Dekker was a drunk and an idiot.

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Birdman117
Birdman117
87. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 9:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 9:53 PM EDT
"Still undergoing therapy 3 days a week.

Will never be able to do many things we take for granted:

Running, jumping, walking up and down hills, driving a stick shift car, riding a bike, walking on a treadmill, kneeling, and the list goes on and on.

She is a trooper."
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SurfingEagle
SurfingEagle
88. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 9:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 10:48 PM EDT
"Actually, where I am, if a bicycle violates traffic law, they can be issued a moving citation. Cyclists have the follow the same laws as motor vehicles. Not sure what the laws are in CA, though. "
Where do you live?
There is no license required to operate a bicycle on the road system in the U.S. that I am aware of. There is no test required to demonstrate a knowledge of traffic laws on a bike. However, I just glanced over the CA bicycle laws, and they do expect you to adhere to the rules of the road as if you were a moving vehicle. That doesn't mean that in a court of law that they would hold a bicyclist to the same legal standard as a licensed automobile driver. They could perhaps find some fault in the law if the kid was not wearing a helmet for instance or didn't have a working head light at night or crossed traffic without signally. But I would bet that the DUI would out weight any such violations by the cyclist unless he were also intoxicated. Like I said, the judge might factor in a mistake made by the cyclist but I doubt that will save Dekker.

Edit: Also, I went back and looked at your original message and it says "17-year-old kid who was trying to ride his bike past a freeway on-ramp". See, I doubt the kid was on the freeway. He was probably crossing the on-ramp from the road that connects to the on-ramp. That is probably not illegal. I see nothing in the CA bicycle laws that says you have to stay off any part of the normal road system as long as you ride on the right hand curb in certain situations. In fact, there is a section that implicitly states that you are permitted to ride a bike even on freeways unless it is explicitly prohibited on that freeway by local laws and should be indicated with a sign. So, I think Dekker is screwed. Do you find this valuable?    
ShelterWolf
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89. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 10:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 10:07 PM EDT
Thomas will clean up his act. The state is going to ride his ass for a while because they like to make examples of celebrities, so he has no choice. For example, I didn't think Martha Stewart deserved her punishment, but look what happened to her. If celebrities want to work in Hollywood, they have to make amends. After Thomas cleans up his act, he will be a symbol of cleanliness and wholesomeness, relatively speaking.

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willwood
willwood
90. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 11:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 11:42 PM EDT
"Thomas will clean up his act. The state is going to ride his ass for a while because they like to make examples of celebrities, so he has no choice. For example, I didn't think Martha Stewart deserved her punishment, but look what happened to her. If celebrities want to work in Hollywood, they have to make amends. After Thomas cleans up his act, he will be a symbol of cleanliness and wholesomeness, relatively speaking.

"
.... I can't tell if you are being serious or not.
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ChrisCoachKKincey
ChrisCoachKKincey
91. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 15 2009, 11:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 11:56 PM EDT
Statistics are one in every three drivers over 18 in California will have a head on collision with a drunk driver in their lifetime. That's not funny....the leading killer of school aged children in California is kids in the back seat with no seat belt on getting thrown thru the front windshield.

Dekker really needs to make amends for this: it could have turned out really, really bad.

I do not understand why rich celebs can't call a cab or hire a limo...dumb. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
mr_green
mr_green
92. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 3:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 3:07 AM EDT
"Yeah, I cycle too. Fortunately, I have a lot of low traffic secondary roads to ride on. But I was almost nailed once if I had been a half a second further down the road."
Yeah, I've had close calls too.

My biggest concern is hitting pedestrians, they don't hear me on my bicycle when I blast along at 15 mph and they don't realise how fast I'm going. Do you find this valuable?    
Prez270
Prez270
93. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 3:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 3:16 AM EDT
There should be absolutely no leniency on this, regardless of who he his.

I'd throw the book at anyone who does something this stupid. 3 years in jail at the minimum. The life of an innocent pedestrian is worth more than a TV show. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

Xynoxx
94. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 5:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 5:48 AM EDT
Despite knowing about the horrors of drink driving as we all (hopefully) understand, I will take a leaf out of a poster's book upthread and caution against going the tumbril way. If Dekker is really proven to have done this, then words fail at such stupidity. It is ok for anyone to get rat drunk if he/she wants to. It is NOT ok to then get behind a wheel in that state. But let us get all the facvts of this incident.

I wondered how we across the pond fared with out own laws against drink driving, compared with the States. I came upon a newsletter from the Ponca City police, Oklahoma. They are having a ferocious anti drink drive, with absolute zero tolerance.(This began in 2008) I forgot that in such cases the States considers you're a minor if you're not yet 21 (at least, it seems so in Ponca City. Is Dekker 21?

In the EU generally, we have a limited tolerance. This link shows what levels are permitted in different countries. Some appear to have zero.

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DeadpooI
95. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 6:48 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 6:48 AM EDT
"Well, what I mean is that once the police find out you've been drinking and in a car on the road, and they catch you at it. They're going to charge you regardless of anything else. Now, maybe his status will help him some. Probably not, but who knows."
Following on from your talk with Kyrie, here's some more info about the LaBeouf crash I mentioned (where LaBeouf wasn't convicted despite being intoxicated when he crashed.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/27/shia-labeouf-dui-arrest-a_n_115205.html
Some key points from the article:

Shia's state, according to witnesses who were out drinking with him:
* "He was dancing around and acting really crazy, he kept doing shots of whiskey."
* "He stayed until the band was done and then stumbled out of the club by himself."

How the crash took place:
* "LaBeouf was trying to make a left turn at a West Hollywood intersection around 3 a.m. when his pickup collided with another vehicle, rolling the truck over."

What happened when officers arrived at the scene:
* "It was immediately apparent to officers responding on the scene that LaBeouf was intoxicated and he was subsequently placed under arrest."

So, he was drinking heavily that night and the officers immediately thought he was sloshed when they arrived at the scene. Provided the Huffington Post or Los Angeles County Sheriff's Sgt. Scott Wolf aren't making stuff up, the issue of whether this was DUI on Shia's part is pretty much an open & shut case.

Yet, LaBeouf wasn't criminally charged for the collision.
Why? Because the person who collided with him was at fault, not LaBoeuf, said a LACSD spokesman two days later.
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/29/shia-labeouf-was-not-at-f_n_115675.html)

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DeadpooI
96. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 6:48 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 6:48 AM EDT
He still wasn't criminally charged.
So (again - rightly or wrongly) it's not certain that Dekker will be charged with anything, provided this kid did something stupid, as people in this thread seem to reporting. Incidentally, where did people hear that this kid was at fault? And where the heck did somebody read that he was cycling down the Freeway?!

The only punitive measure taken against LaBeouf was that he had his licence revoked for a year, and ONLY because he refused to take a breathalyzer test.
Strikes me as stupid that you can refuse to take a breathalyzer after DUI...

What's quite interesting here is that all these gossip-sites are calling Dekker's incident a "felony DUI", whereas people called LaBeouf's crime a "misdemeanor DUI."
I wonder why this is... It seems odd, given that the cyclist sustained minor injuries(1).

Considering that a felony tends to be rape, murder, burglary, arson, lying to the FBI, etc... I'm surprised that the word felony is being used to describe the crime.
If it really is being considered a felony, there *must* be some very important information we're missing, right? Dekker must have done more than what we've been told thus far. It doesn't add up that this would be considered a felony, given similar events in the past and the (fortunately) minor nature of the injuries sustained.

There are very few reasons I can imagine for why this would be a *felony* DUI, based on what we've been thus far told.
The only noteworthy reason that I can think of is the possibility that this is a *felony* DUI because a minor was involved in the crash. But I don't know if that makes a difference in deciding what's a felony and what's a midemeanor.

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KrelleK
97. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 7:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 7:41 AM EDT
"Thomas Dekker was arrested last night on suspicion of DUI.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/15/terminator-thomas-dekker-dui-driving-under-influence/"
Now here is a little something to ponder on

Question: Would this had happened if FOX would have continued the TtSCC-series? Do you find this valuable?    
willwood
willwood
98. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 7:47 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 7:47 AM EDT
If it didn't happen this time, it would have happened another.

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Nomad79
Nomad79
99. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 10:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 10:03 AM EDT
"If it didn't happen this time, it would have happened another.

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Hearing about this from Dekker, I'm not suprised. But getting behind the wheel after drinking is a huge mistake, my best friend died in a similar acident. I just hope that he can clean up his act.

@Krellek, this probably would have happened at anytime, even if FOX did continue TSCC. Do you find this valuable?    

LiquidMetal
100. RE: Dekker Arrested
Oct 16 2009, 10:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 10:27 AM EDT
"My best wishes to your wife LM. "
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