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The1Russter
The1Russter
What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 6:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 6:45 PM EDT
I can't find the information on line. Was Jesse's rank in the resistance ever mentioned or referred to? 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

m1919
1. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 6:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 6:48 PM EDT
"I can't find the information on line. Was Jesse's rank in the resistance ever mentioned or referred to?"
I think she's a Commander. Do you find this valuable?    
Veran`
Veran`
2. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 7:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 7:01 PM EDT
"I think she's a Commander."
2nd Lieutenant, First Mate of the USS Jimmy Carter. Do you find this valuable?    

m1919
3. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 7:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 7:02 PM EDT
"2nd Lieutenant, First Mate of the USS Jimmy Carter."
Ah, my bad lol. Do you find this valuable?    
bryan011
bryan011
4. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 7:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 7:10 PM EDT
"2nd Lieutenant, First Mate of the USS Jimmy Carter."
That's an ensign in the Navy. Second Lt. is an Army rank. Additionally there is no "2nd LT" in the Australian Navy. They were using Navy ranks, since she referred to one of the men as "Chief."

An ensign isn't going to be put in command of a submarine nor made Executive Office, which was her position.

"Commander" Flores means she was either a Lieutenant Commander, an O-4, or a Commander, an O-5. For reference, Derek was an O-2.

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Veran`
Veran`
5. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 7:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 7:13 PM EDT
"That's an ensign in the Navy. Second Lt. is an Army rank. Additionally there is no "2nd LT" in the Australian Navy.

An ensign isn't going to be put in command of a submarine nor made Executive Office, which was her position.

"Commander" Flores means she was either a Leuitenant Commander, an O-4, or a Commander, an O-5. For reference, Derek was an O-2."
Good points.

But whatever her rank, it's likely she was below Derek in authority (he was a 1st Lieutenant). I'm sure Queeg called Jesse by her rank a few times in the episode. Maybe someone can look back and find out for sure. Also, would the old ranks still apply in the Resistance? Or would they have used a different/single system?

Remember: no one but Queeg knew how to pilot the submarine. I'm guessing few (if any) of the crew were actually former Naval seamen before the war. Do you find this valuable?    
bryan011
bryan011
6. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 7:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 7:21 PM EDT
"Good points.

But whatever her rank, it's likely she was below Derek in authority (he was a 1st Lieutenant). I'm sure Queeg called Jesse by her rank a few times in the episode. Maybe someone can look back and find out for sure. Also, would the old ranks still apply in the Resistance? Or would they have used a different/single system?

Remember: no one but Queeg knew how to pilot the submarine. I'm guessing few (if any) of the crew were actually former Naval seamen before the war."
I will look, but I am very certain it was Commander Flores.

Her relationship to Derek and their rank may not have been an issue since she was navy and he was army.

I assume the Resistance and Connor aren't completely incompetent. The submarine crews will be deployed to submarines and trained accordingly. Not as well as now, but no way would they use regular soldiers to crew a submarine. That would be the definition of incompetency. Do you find this valuable?    
Veran`
Veran`
7. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 7:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 7:28 PM EDT
"I assume the Resistance and Connor aren't completely incompetent. The submarine crews will be deployed to submarines and trained accordingly. Not as well as now, but no way would they use regular soldiers to crew a submarine. That would be the definition of incompetency."
In a world where dentists can become soldiers, it wouldn't surprise me. :P Do you find this valuable?    
bryan011
bryan011
8. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 7:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 7:33 PM EDT
"In a world where dentists can become soldiers, it wouldn't surprise me. :P"
Dentists?

Anyway, I don't want no army guys getting their paws on Navy stuff. :p

At 21:57, Today is the Day, Part 2, Queeg says "Chief of the Boat, escort Commander Flores to her rack."

So, either a Lt. Commander or a Commander. My guess is Lt. Commander though if Terminators like to be literal she could be an actual Commander.

Derek's rank was also screwy. Officers don't command squads. A Seargant or Staff SGT commands squads. Derek should have had a platoon. He probably should have been a captain, honestly and commanding a company with the time he has in the Resistance... and their, uh... insane casualties. Do you find this valuable?    
Caesis
Caesis
9. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 8:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 8:29 PM EDT
Well, you guys beat me to it.

She was some kinda Luey, and was head honcho of her sub. Queeg was technically the captain and gave out orders, but she gave orders to the captain. Do you find this valuable?    
The1Russter
The1Russter
10. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 8:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 8:29 PM EDT
Wow! Thanks for all of the help everyone. Your help has been great! I knew it was mentioned, just didn't know which episode, and I didn't want to go needle hunting through twenty-two haystacks. Thanks. Do you find this valuable?    
Veran`
Veran`
11. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 8:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 8:52 PM EDT
"Derek's rank was also screwy. Officers don't command squads. A Seargant or Staff SGT commands squads. Derek should have had a platoon. He probably should have been a captain, honestly and commanding a company with the time he has in the Resistance... and their, uh... insane casualties."
Perhaps Derek was given the rank of Lieutenant upon being sent back in time. Do you find this valuable?    
Canuckinator
Canuckinator
12. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 9:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 9:31 PM EDT
"In a world where dentists can become soldiers, it wouldn't surprise me. :P"
I still prefer that world over one where a former veterinarian can become a heart surgeon... Do you find this valuable?    
Blazar
Blazar
13. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 9:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 9:31 PM EDT
"Perhaps Derek was given the rank of Lieutenant upon being sent back in time."
Yeah, that's highly possible.

After all at the time before Bedell died, Derek was only a Corporal.

So, it's possible that Derek got his rank, because John wanted to make sure that he would be in leading position, when he and his team was send back. Do you find this valuable?    
Enigma6482
Enigma6482
14. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 9:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 9:39 PM EDT
"Good points.

But whatever her rank, it's likely she was below Derek in authority (he was a 1st Lieutenant). I'm sure Queeg called Jesse by her rank a few times in the episode. Maybe someone can look back and find out for sure. Also, would the old ranks still apply in the Resistance? Or would they have used a different/single system?

Remember: no one but Queeg knew how to pilot the submarine. I'm guessing few (if any) of the crew were actually former Naval seamen before the war."
Queeg calls her Commander Flores. Do you find this valuable?    
Enigma6482
Enigma6482
15. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 9:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 9:40 PM EDT
"Perhaps Derek was given the rank of Lieutenant upon being sent back in time."
Derek was already Lieutenant by 2026 and the capture of Serrano Point:

http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Serrano_Point_Nuclear_Power_Plant Do you find this valuable?    
bryan011
bryan011
16. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 10:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 10:00 PM EDT
"Yeah, that's highly possible.

After all at the time before Bedell died, Derek was only a Corporal.

So, it's possible that Derek got his rank, because John wanted to make sure that he would be in leading position, when he and his team was send back."
I know this is kind of off topic, but one thing with Bedell. He'd have graduated in 2008 and been a second classman at West Point in April 2011. Wouldn't he have been nuked?

I kind of found it hard to believe that John couldn't find anyone more capable than a West Point cadet to help him put together La Resistance. Do you find this valuable?    
R.Daneel_Olivaw
R.Daneel_Olivaw
17. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 10:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 10:13 PM EDT
In the society of John Connors post-Judgement day resistance, rank is probably an amorphous hierarchy based on the force of ones personality, and tempered by the judgement of ones peers. Some tradition has been obviously preserved (the shellback ceremony), but only when commonly recognized by all parties in a given group.

As long as it was clear to each individual who was superior and who was subordinate, nomenclature would be unimportant. Tasks would be accomplished, responsability would be established and a chain of command would be apparent. No 'titles' would be neccessary. Do you find this valuable?    
bryan011
bryan011
18. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 10:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 10:23 PM EDT
"In the society of John Connors post-Judgement day resistance, rank is probably an amorphous hierarchy based on the force of ones personality, and tempered by the judgement of ones peers. Some tradition has been obviously preserved (the shellback ceremony), but only when commonly recognized by all parties in a given group.

As long as it was clear to each individual who was superior and who was subordinate, nomenclature would be unimportant. Tasks would be accomplished, responsability would be established and a chain of command would be apparent. No 'titles' would be neccessary."
That is an interesting point of view. I think it might be applicable.

However it is undesirable.

Some soldiers are going to need more rigid discipline than others. Soldiers who are 'elite' units, like submariners in this post J-Day world, should have had established rank and clear chains of command and clear hierarchies with titles. They need uniforms, not rags, for cohesion. Symbols are important, uniforms are important, titles are important. Especially so when you're stuck under the ocean in a metal tube for months and months. The crew operating the submarine should have presumably been some of the best technical individuals the Resistance could muster. They wont be a good as modern submariners (though I get the feeling surviving military would come to join up if they could) but they would need to have a technical proficiency above "average." If Queeg was the lone terminator on the boat, you need (many) someone(s) who can operate and maintain the nuclear plant.

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R.Daneel_Olivaw
R.Daneel_Olivaw
19. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance?
Oct 20 2009, 10:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2009, 10:44 PM EDT
"That is an interesting point of view. I think it might be applicable.

However it is undesirable.

Some soldiers are going to need more rigid discipline than others. Soldiers who are 'elite' units, like submariners in this post J-Day world, should have had established rank and clear chains of command and clear hierarchies with titles. They need uniforms, not rags, for cohesion. Symbols are important, uniforms are important, titles are important. Especially so when you're stuck under the ocean in a metal tube for months and months. The crew operating the submarine should have presumably been some of the best technical individuals the Resistance could muster. They wont be a good as modern submariners (though I get the feeling surviving military would come to join up if they could) but they would need to have a technical proficiency above "average." If Queeg was the lone terminator on the boat, you need (many) someone(s) who can operate and maintain the nuclear plant.

"
In the field, especially under fire, human beings will establish an impromptu rank structure, and stick to it, or perish. Those who posses true leadership will become apparent,and those who can manifest true loyalty will surround them. Those who can do neither will be culled by the scythe of natural selection.

In an extremely harsh environment, some soldiers who have greater 'needs' than others will possibly join the huge percentage of humans who no longer exist. Do you find this valuable?    
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