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intrepid	60. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 6:45 PM EDT "To answer the original question, Jesse Flores was promoted to Lt. Commander (O4) just before the beginning of the mission you saw in "Today is the Day" parts one and two. And by the ragged, edge of starvation state of the resistance, the submariners were the elite. They got actual fresh grown food from Australia and reasonably clean and intact clothes to wear and got to sleep and take showers in a climate controlled space every night-- almost unimaginable luxuries for the inhabitants of North America in 2027." Thanks for the clarification TheTurk. PS Also great you still pop in and take pity on us as well. :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
The1Russter	61. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 6:48 PM EDT "To answer the original question, Jesse Flores was promoted to Lt. Commander (O4) just before the beginning of the mission you saw in "Today is the Day" parts one and two. And by the ragged, edge of starvation state of the resistance, the submariners were the elite. They got actual fresh grown food from Australia and reasonably clean and intact clothes to wear and got to sleep and take showers in a climate controlled space every night-- almost unimaginable luxuries for the inhabitants of North America in 2027." @ TheTurk Thank you for answering my original question. Your help is appreciated. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Schmacky	62. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:14 PM EDT I know this goes off from the original question but instead of making another thread (and since the question was answered), I'll ask here. The majority of people think Jesse's decision (for whatever reason you think) was wrong. But wrong according to whom? Jesse had her orders, Queeg has his. Queeg said they were from John, but we have no way to confirm this. Also, who did Jesse report to at the end of the mission? Cameron. Not John. As some have suggested, it might be possible that John is dead in this timeline or isn't running the Resistance, or didn't even know about this particular mission. So again, I ask.. Jesse was wrong according to who? Cameron? Is that good enough? Jesse was wrong according to a Terminator. We cannot confirm that Cameron was actually speaking on behalf of John Connor or not. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bryan011	63. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:23 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 7:24 PM EDT The commander-in-chief (or whatever) usually doesn't do things like that. He'd have sent a subordinate to debrief Jesse, which I guess he did. Maybe since the mission was so important sending Cameron was warranted? Was Jesse wrong according to Cameron? No... she was wrong according to common sense. The LM terminator could have killed all of them but instead it fled and hid. It could have killed each and every one of them in minutes- we saw how brutally efficient Weaver was at Desert Canyon Heat and Air. They were sent to pick up a box. I've said before... if that box was a "bomb" as Dietz put forward or some weapon to kill Connor... that is an incredibly convoluted method to kill him. Send a submarine all the way across the Pacific, pick up a box, return through enemy infested waters, deliver the box, kill Connor... why not just missile spam Serrano Point? Why not just have the box somewhere in LA County? The fear that the box had something to kill Connor in it doesn't pass the common sense test. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
intrepid	64. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:27 PM EDT "I know this goes off from the original question but instead of making another thread (and since the question was answered), I'll ask here. The majority of people think Jesse's decision (for whatever reason you think) was wrong. But wrong according to whom? Jesse had her orders, Queeg has his. Queeg said they were from John, but we have no way to confirm this. Also, who did Jesse report to at the end of the mission? Cameron. Not John. As some have suggested, it might be possible that John is dead in this timeline or isn't running the Resistance, or didn't even know about this particular mission. So again, I ask.. Jesse was wrong according to who? Cameron? Is that good enough? Jesse was wrong according to a Terminator. We cannot confirm that Cameron was actually speaking on behalf of John Connor or not. " I'm not going to go over the reasons again, read the thread, Is Jesse Good, I think it was called, but regardless of WHO gave the orders, Jesse acted correctly given HER authority and what SHE knew. So, Jesse wasn't wrong! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kaotic	65. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:37 PM EDT "The commander-in-chief (or whatever) usually doesn't do things like that. He'd have sent a subordinate to debrief Jesse, which I guess he did. Maybe since the mission was so important sending Cameron was warranted? Was Jesse wrong according to Cameron? No... she was wrong according to common sense. The LM terminator could have killed all of them but instead it fled and hid. It could have killed each and every one of them in minutes- we saw how brutally efficient Weaver was at Desert Canyon Heat and Air. They were sent to pick up a box. I've said before... if that box was a "bomb" as Dietz put forward or some weapon to kill Connor... that is an incredibly convoluted method to kill him. Send a submarine all the way across the Pacific, pick up a box, return through enemy infested waters, deliver the box, kill Connor... why not just missile spam Serrano Point? Why not just have the box somewhere in LA County? The fear that the box had something to kill Connor in it doesn't pass the common sense test." I agree with you Bryan. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ninelives888	66. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:45 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 7:46 PM EDT I agree with Schmacky and Intrepid. Sorry all we see is a Terminator tell Jesse she might have been wrong. Thats not good enough. If JC was aware and felt Jesse was guilty of something, they would not have let her run around freely. Just more proof that something wasn't right in the resistances leadership at the point --we see Cameron try to justify talking to her was the same as talking to JC. Thats a load of B/S and John was probably dead at that point, probably at the hands of Cameron. All speculation but possible. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Enigma6482	67. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:47 PM EDT "I know this goes off from the original question but instead of making another thread (and since the question was answered), I'll ask here. The majority of people think Jesse's decision (for whatever reason you think) was wrong. But wrong according to whom? Jesse had her orders, Queeg has his. Queeg said they were from John, but we have no way to confirm this. Also, who did Jesse report to at the end of the mission? Cameron. Not John. As some have suggested, it might be possible that John is dead in this timeline or isn't running the Resistance, or didn't even know about this particular mission. So again, I ask.. Jesse was wrong according to who? Cameron? Is that good enough? Jesse was wrong according to a Terminator. We cannot confirm that Cameron was actually speaking on behalf of John Connor or not. " She was wrong b/c we saw what happened afterwards. We know CW was willing to help the resistance (at the very least in the past, possibly in the future if the crew had not mutinied), the sub itself was nearly invaluable (which Jesse destroyed), an alliance between the 3rd faction and the resistance would have possibly led to victory against Skynet (also a good thing that Jesse destroyed as well), and without a mutiny you would not have had several dead crew members and a destroyed trip 8. What part of going against all of that was a "good" decision on Jesse‘s part. Just b/c she "thought" she was doing the right thing does not make her right. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Xynoxx	68. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:49 PM EDT No accounting ffor those who fail to understand a story, or the protocol sof military rank., as long as it suits a reality divorced from what the story is about. Knock yourselves out. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Xynoxx	69. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:52 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 7:53 PM EDT "She was wrong b/c we saw what happened afterwards. We know CW was willing to help the resistance (at the very least in the past, possibly in the future if the crew had not mutinied), the sub itself was nearly invaluable (which Jesse destroyed), an alliance between the 3rd faction and the resistance would have possibly led to victory against Skynet (also a good thing that Jesse destroyed as well), and without a mutiny you would not have had several dead crew members and a destroyed trip 8. What part of going against all of that was a "good" decision on Jesse‘s part. Just b/c she "thought" she was doing the right thing does not make her right. " Agreed. Some clearly just don't want to understand. Thank God none of these would be in charge in such a situation. Goodbye the billions. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
R.Daneel_Olivaw	70. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 7:56 PM EDT " A rank structure is passe? You've just doomed your army. Either you enforce discipline and a hierarchy with rank or with fear. " To clarify, I said a TRADITIONAL rank structure may be passe. Not that rank itself was passe. Meaning that Jesse's rank may not be recognizable by todays standards. O4 and O5 may be meaningless, Flores may be a C2 or something. Also consider that there is probably no current monetary system, so paygrade doesn't enter into it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ninelives888	71. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 8:01 PM EDT We have also been shown or at least alluded to, that Jesse had the RIGHT to ask Queeg for his chip and for him to stand down. He didn't further showing he might be going "bad". Would Jesse have scuddled the sub still if Queeg had been cooperative , who knows. Jesse didn't just disable Queeg without forewarning. IF Queeg had been willing to hand over his chip, it might have shown he wasn't suffering from chip corruption. He could have said to Jesse , I will do what you ask , but you know that the humans alone cannot operate this sub..... He didn't do that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
bryan011	72. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 8:08 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 8:11 PM EDT "To clarify, I said a TRADITIONAL rank structure may be passe. Not that rank itself was passe. Meaning that Jesse's rank may not be recognizable by todays standards. O4 and O5 may be meaningless, Flores may be a C2 or something. Also consider that there is probably no current monetary system, so paygrade doesn't enter into it." Ah, okay, missed the 'traditional' part. Perhaps not ensign, LT jg, LT, LTCDR, CDR, CPT, etc. but I do think the ranks would stay relatively intact. Time in rank/rate may not be as much of an issue, with many more merit-based and mission-based promotions/advancements rather than time. In the Navy you just need to have a pulse to go from ensign to jg (and you didn't f up extraordinarily somehow). No monetary system, no paygrade, but 'paygrade' is used interchangeably depending on what context it is used in. "O" and "E" and "W" would still be warranted and applicable. Even if they use Troop Leader, Boat Driver, whatever as their designations, they need a clear rank structure where if you have more than one person, you know who is subordinate and who is superior. And then extend that all the way down. That's what stops degradations in the chain of command and situations like Carter from happening. So all I'm saying is they can use whatever ranking system, they want. they can all be officers but what matters is a clear command structure and a clear organizational hierarchy on who one reports to, who is under you, etc. A pyramid. That is what works in the military. I just point out the system of enlisted to officer has worked well for millennium. The military may be the only true organization left. It would probably stick to some of its traditions to maintain morale and cohesion. If the system aint broke, and it's not... since kinda like everyone uses it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
R.Daneel_Olivaw	73. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 21 2009, 8:09 PM EDT "To answer the original question, Jesse Flores was promoted to Lt. Commander (O4) just before the beginning of the mission you saw in "Today is the Day" parts one and two. And by the ragged, edge of starvation state of the resistance, the submariners were the elite. They got actual fresh grown food from Australia and reasonably clean and intact clothes to wear and got to sleep and take showers in a climate controlled space every night-- almost unimaginable luxuries for the inhabitants of North America in 2027." OT - Zack, Fringe is kicking ass this season. Kudos to all involved. RDO Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Xynoxx	74. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 22 2009, 9:00 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 22 2009, 9:43 AM EDT @The Turk - could you pls help us out here, if you have some time to look in? Many of us believe that Commander Flores, senior naval officer, screwed her mission, sunk her boat, and was wrong in all aspects of a tragedy that probably rebounded fatally upon the efforts of the Resitance to beat Skynet. The repercussions led to an illegal flight through time by Jesse, seeking to compound her felony by seeking to affect young John's future via murder. Is this the way the story would have gone? What matters here is how the story itself would logically have gone, and not what any of us might want it to be. Many thanks, if you can tell us. (In the absence of any hard news about the continuation, it would be good to know) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Schmacky	75. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 22 2009, 1:17 PM EDT And many believe that Commander Flores did what she had to do under the information SHE knew on the Jimmy Carter and acted appropriately by the orders she was given and the orders of others that she was exposed to. Was she wrong in everything? All I know for a fact is that Cameron thought she was wrong in doing that. Not necessarily John Connor. I think John would have cared about the people lost, Cameron wouldn't. Where we all can agree is that Jesse ****** up by stealing a time travel ride. But everything she did in the past I now understand WHY... doesn't mean I like what she did though. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ninelives888	76. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 22 2009, 1:38 PM EDT "@The Turk - could you pls help us out here, if you have some time to look in? Many of us believe that Commander Flores, senior naval officer, screwed her mission, sunk her boat, and was wrong in all aspects of a tragedy that probably rebounded fatally upon the efforts of the Resitance to beat Skynet. The repercussions led to an illegal flight through time by Jesse, seeking to compound her felony by seeking to affect young John's future via murder. Is this the way the story would have gone? What matters here is how the story itself would logically have gone, and not what any of us might want it to be. Many thanks, if you can tell us. (In the absence of any hard news about the continuation, it would be good to know)" Its amazing how some want to shift who the bad guy is. The original Terminator in a mans meatsuit was a methodical ,ruthless killing machine. Its the same thing Cameron was created as, she killed at least 5 resistance members on her way to killing JC. She threw down the silver bracelets. Maybe one of those was also a friend of Jesse's. We know she lost a friend to a attack from another Terminator that was reprogrammed like Cameron that went bad. These might have been all part of her motivations in wanting to alter JC"s thinking of metal. Some think maybe she succeeded, though Riley was the collateral damage. Some only want to forgive Cameron's war crimes. The resistance is a rag tag outfit and People want to apply our military justice to Jesse, but what about Cameron who tried to kill John and Sarah for at least the SECOND TIME ! She's forgiven again and again. Why because she's ONLY A MACHINE ? Metal lovers want their cake and eat it to. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kaotic	77. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 22 2009, 1:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 22 2009, 1:55 PM EDT facepalm ^ Metal rules! From your favorite metal lover. :\ -- I think everyone, metal and human are both to blame for what happened on the sub. I agree with you Schmacky, I think John would have cared about the people that lost their life's. I do also think he would pretty upset knowing that maybe his one chance to have another ally in the fight against Skynet was ruined. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MetalHunter	78. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 22 2009, 1:51 PM EDT Original Question: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Response: Traitor. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Enigma6482	79. RE: What was Jesse's rank in the resistance? Oct 22 2009, 1:53 PM EDT "And many believe that Commander Flores did what she had to do under the information SHE knew on the Jimmy Carter and acted appropriately by the orders she was given and the orders of others that she was exposed to. Was she wrong in everything? All I know for a fact is that Cameron thought she was wrong in doing that. Not necessarily John Connor. I think John would have cared about the people lost, Cameron wouldn't. Where we all can agree is that Jesse ****** up by stealing a time travel ride. But everything she did in the past I now understand WHY... doesn't mean I like what she did though." Yet again though, just b/c someone "thinks" their actions are right does not make them right. If I think that I'm justified in stealing something just b/c I think it is owed to me that "thought" alone does not make my action any less wrong. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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