"Thanks for the link LM. But I gotta say, that doesn't bode well for ANY movie studio if the numbers work out as they did for Independence Day. Just look at Transformers 2, Harry Potter 6, or Spiderman 3, each with budgets of 210 million, 250 million, and 258 million respectively, before the massive marketing efforts spent on all of them as well (more than the 75 million spent for Independence Day, certainly). That's an increase in budget of 135-175 million, and easily 25-30 million on marketing as well, so we're talking 150-200 million in increased costs.

Even with all 3 making more than 800 million at the Box office (Transformers made 833 million, Spiderman 3 890 million, Harry Potter 934 million) that still puts the studios substantially in the red with a megahit film. How can the movie industry be so profitable if they giving 50% or more of the gross to the cinemas?

It just doesn't add up. Things must have changed or the math just doesn't work."

"I hope disney gets it and makes it PG these programs are too violent."

"With any and all types of films, a certain % of return is expected depending on genre. Spiderman and Terminator have established a certain amount of revenue so Halcyon et all can take (or sell) a certain amount of up front $ to gamble.

And some films can work on an upfront loss because studios make revenue off of their libraries and past goods that generate revenue.

Most directors, actors, tradesmen work on up front money (contracts and such can be looked up on WGA, DGA, AFTRA etc) which of course doesn't include points (and points are hard to recover). The studios and producers - who have incredibly deep pockets in most cases, can wait out the DVD sales. They get paid upfront too, but they also take in the bigger checks later.

If a film can cover it's expected cost durring its run, it's considered a success.

T4 didn't. Not really close."

"I have been encouraged to see the distribution money paid to Halcyon as advances from Sony and Warner Bros. That’s not to say the owners of the franchise aren’t entitled to this, just it is not clear who’s going to be the owner.

For the film
Gross 371.1m $
Less Cost 217m $ (Case against Benjamin cites 17m in overruns and Halcyon paid 5.46m of their own money
Less marketing 80m $
Less 25% retained by cinemas 92775m
Less 1% gross paid to Dubai Film Co 3.711m
(22.386m) $ - owed for Sony’s marketing costs?
Dominon Holding Company has assets of 3.5m $ and that 22.386 m $ loss as liabilities. The 18.55 m $ Anderson and Kubicek received from their 5% producer fee of Gross, probably disappeared into personal account as quickly as possible.

T Asset Acquisition Company: Assets 30m$ - all rights to the Terminator franchise. Liabilities: Debt to Pacificor estimated at 70m $ but cut to 4m -32m as part of the manoeuvring that settled Halcyon’s action against Pacificor.

Halcyon still has a 20m $ debt from T:SCC to pay, presumably, to Warner Bros.
The original T4 budget of 200m $ had half from Sony, and 25% each from Warner Bros and Halcyon. Warner Bros marketing fee increased to 60m $.
Where might Halcyon have found 50m $ from? Vajna and Kassar may have invested their 30m and Sony and Warner Bros may have actually invested 10 millions each. I estimate they owe their investors 85.51 millions based on a ratio of gross/cost.

"

"Can you please just give it up?

You ruined the last one bad enough.

Lets have a season 3 of the show instead, at least it had more of a point not a mindless cgi explosion fest"