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SamStaurophobia	I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 2:38 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 2:38 PM EST I have a personal take on Cameron. Here's my idea about what she is. Arnold in T1 and T2 was a T-800-CSM-101 The "T-800" is his endoskeleton. The "CSM-101" means "Cyberdyne Systems Model 101" and refers to his skin. Now, I think of Cameron in the same way. I think of her as a T-888-TOK-715. The T-888 is her endoskeleton, and the TOK-715 is the skin that looks like Allison. Who knows what the "TOK" part stands for, though. It was always my impression that the TOK-715 was referring to her skin, in the same way that Arnie was promoted as a T-101 or a CSM-101 in all promotional materials. His endoskeleton was never really mentioned on posters and adverts; it was always his skin model ID. Who agrees? Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: cameron model numbers summer glau t-888 tok-715
SamStaurophobia	1. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 2:40 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 2:40 PM EST Some people theorize that the TOK stands for "Template Of Kill" and I think that makes sense considering everything that happens in "Allison From Palmdale". So, I think I've solved the mystery. lol Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Gusar	2. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 2:47 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 2:52 PM EST I don't think "TOK" means anything. It was never referenced on the show or in any commentary/interview. It's only on that one poster, that was never even used in the wild, and it says "class". Nowhere else is "class" used, it's always "series" and "model". So you can make all sorts of theories and such, they will always remain just that - theories. Whatever clever thing you think up for the meaning of TOK, it will never be valid, except maybe for yourself. I personally don't see any sense in trying to give "TOK" any meaning, but that's just me. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SamStaurophobia	3. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 2:59 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 2:59 PM EST "I don't think "TOK" means anything. It was never referenced on the show or in any commentary/interview. It's only on that one poster, that was never even used in the wild, and it says "class". Nowhere else is "class" used, it's always "series" and "model". So you can make all sorts of theories and such, they will always remain just that - theories. Whatever clever thing you think up for the meaning of TOK, it will never be valid, except maybe for yourself. I personally don't see any sense in trying to give "TOK" any meaning, but that's just me." Alright, that makes sense, I guess. This was really just for all the people who are convinced that Cameron's ENDOSKELETON is called a "TOK-715". I believe Cameron's a T-888, just like any of the other machines we've seen on the show. After all, weren't the 888s constructed especially to be able to handle a variety of different skins? I mean we already know that Carter is too short to be Cromartie, so there's a difference of size. It would be hard, but a T-888 endo could probably be shrunk to the size of a petite woman like Cameron. I'm just trying to point out that it really requires a huge leap of faith to assume Cameron is anything but a T-888 underneath her skin. Now, her chip might be different, for various reasons, but her endoskeleton? No. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ninelives888	4. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:09 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:09 PM EST "Alright, that makes sense, I guess. This was really just for all the people who are convinced that Cameron's ENDOSKELETON is called a "TOK-715". I believe Cameron's a T-888, just like any of the other machines we've seen on the show. After all, weren't the 888s constructed especially to be able to handle a variety of different skins? I mean we already know that Carter is too short to be Cromartie, so there's a difference of size. It would be hard, but a T-888 endo could probably be shrunk to the size of a petite woman like Cameron. I'm just trying to point out that it really requires a huge leap of faith to assume Cameron is anything but a T-888 underneath her skin. Now, her chip might be different, for various reasons, but her endoskeleton? No. " I totally agree. The show, didn't even try to produce any evidence that Cameron is different. She is it seems a T-888. Now why some need to fight that she's not is beyond me. The scan by Vick with the results unknown cyborg are not much different than Cameron's scan of Carter. Measurements showed it wasn't a terminator she knew. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Gusar	5. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:17 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:17 PM EST "I'm just trying to point out that it really requires a huge leap of faith to assume Cameron is anything but a T-888 underneath her skin. Now, her chip might be different, for various reasons, but her endoskeleton? No. " Yup, that makes sense. I too think her endoskeleton is very similar to the T-888. Not quite the same, considering Vick didn't recognize her, but probably very similar. Her chip though, is definitely different. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
indina4k11	6. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:23 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:23 PM EST Just want to point out that she has a full color h.u.d., unlike any other model we've seen. I've always wondered what a T-1000 / 1001 h.u.d. would look like... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ninelives888	7. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:30 PM EST There was also a time where T-888's were fitted with self - destructing chips. One would think all these models might be "newer"? Also we don't know what time Chromartie was from. its a interesting question that I would have like explored. A future scene with him, and how he ended up coming back. But I guess that would have took the original actor, to make happen. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SamStaurophobia	8. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:32 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:32 PM EST "Just want to point out that she has a full color h.u.d., unlike any other model we've seen. I've always wondered what a T-1000 / 1001 h.u.d. would look like..." I don't think they really have one. And I sometimes wonder if they can, you know, well, see out of like any part of their body. lol Not just the eyes. And about Cameron's HUD, I think that's just because her chip is different. And it also changes when it's damaged (as seen beginning with "Samson and Delilah"). It appears that chips can be changed between endos, because (even though it never really shows it) John Henry takes Cameron's chip and uses it. Even if Cameron is something like a T-889 or T-890 or something, the chip is still interchangeable with T-888 endos. But I think for all intents and purposes, she's just a T-888 and Skynet probably made a chip that was a tad more better tailored for "infiltration mode" (when her HUD shuts off like in "Allison From Palmdale"). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SamStaurophobia	9. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:35 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:35 PM EST "I totally agree. The show, didn't even try to produce any evidence that Cameron is different. She is it seems a T-888. Now why some need to fight that she's not is beyond me. The scan by Vick with the results unknown cyborg are not much different than Cameron's scan of Carter. Measurements showed it wasn't a terminator she knew." Yeah I don't think Vick was really trying to find out what endo she had. I think he was just trying to recognize her overall, but he didn't. Now, what amazes me is when you look at how small Cameron's arms are, and the fact that Skynet can still manage to fit a T-888's structure and servomotors in there. And look how strong she is, too. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TackDriver1956	10. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:36 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:36 PM EST "Just want to point out that she has a full color h.u.d., unlike any other model we've seen. I've always wondered what a T-1000 / 1001 h.u.d. would look like..." Only in the movies. It's illogical to present an abstracted video image of sensory data, when the sensory data can be calibrated and processed more accurately, directly from the sensor. In avionics, we bring a lot of information from LVDT's, voltages, resistances, currents, etc, from various sensors, cockpit controls, etc., into a box that conditions, converts, calibrates, and assembles them into a data stream for the engine and airframe management computers. A terminator would have similar processing needs. The cockpit displays are more of an "Oh, by the way, FYI". Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LiquidMetal	11. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:37 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:37 PM EST That moniker is not canon and was initially limited to one poster. It was never mentioned verbally in any on-air previews or eps. Cameron's eyes went from Red, to Blue, and back to Red during the 2 seasons. It would be a fair assessment that her basic chassis is the T-888. Her skull is similar, and she is able to use parts from other T-888s to repair herself. Vick did not recognize her, so she is either more advanced or from another time line. I always thought TOK meant "Terminator OK". A subtle message from future John. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
indina4k11	12. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 3:53 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 3:54 PM EST "Only in the movies. It's illogical to present an abstracted video image of sensory data, when the sensory data can be calibrated and processed more accurately, directly from the sensor. In avionics, we bring a lot of information from LVDT's, voltages, resistances, currents, etc, from various sensors, cockpit controls, etc., into a box that conditions, converts, calibrates, and assembles them into a data stream for the engine and airframe management computers. A terminator would have similar processing needs. The cockpit displays are more of an "Oh, by the way, FYI"." Neat info. I'm not much of a tech person but I'm trying to learn some things now. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SamStaurophobia	13. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 4:06 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 4:06 PM EST Yeah, the HUD thing would be more useful in a case like Marcus from T: Salvation. He still has a human brain, so he still would make use of that "Oh, by the way, FYI". I mean, he has the same eyes as the machines (I don't think they're organic anymore, are they?) so technically they could do all that fancy stuff that Terminator eyes could do, but without an HUD, he wouldn't know that any of that was going on, you know? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TackDriver1956	14. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 4:29 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 4:29 PM EST "Yeah, the HUD thing would be more useful in a case like Marcus from T: Salvation. He still has a human brain, so he still would make use of that "Oh, by the way, FYI". I mean, he has the same eyes as the machines (I don't think they're organic anymore, are they?) so technically they could do all that fancy stuff that Terminator eyes could do, but without an HUD, he wouldn't know that any of that was going on, you know? " That was sort of the point of Marcus Wright: Skynet didn't want him to know he wasn't fully human, or that she had the ability to control him. A HUD would have spoiled the surprise. Indina: you're welcome. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TackDriver1956	15. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 4:32 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 4:32 PM EST "That moniker is not canon and was initially limited to one poster. It was never mentioned verbally in any on-air previews or eps. Cameron's eyes went from Red, to Blue, and back to Red during the 2 seasons. It would be a fair assessment that her basic chassis is the T-888. Her skull is similar, and she is able to use parts from other T-888s to repair herself. Vick did not recognize her, so she is either more advanced or from another time line. I always thought TOK meant "Terminator OK". A subtle message from future John. " TOK: Transfer of Knowledge (intellectual property) This applies on several levels. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SamStaurophobia	16. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 4:40 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 4:40 PM EST "That was sort of the point of Marcus Wright: Skynet didn't want him to know he wasn't fully human, or that she had the ability to control him. A HUD would have spoiled the surprise. Indina: you're welcome." Yeah, I know. But in a case where the person could know, it would be useful to have the HUD, you know? On an off-topic note, I was just watching the part in episode 105 where Cromartie poses as "Agent Kester" and he hands the card to Charlie Dixon. It was hilarious because he says "Call me. Anytime. I never sleep." I laughed really hard for some reason. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SamStaurophobia	17. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 5:25 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 5:25 PM EST Also, I have another question and would appreciate any help on the matter. I want to make a poster for my TSCC fanfic here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5014313/1/Terminator_Dark_Horizons I have the pictures I want to use, the program to make it (GIMP) and everything. I just want to know if anyone knows what font the TSCC logo uses? And do most computers have it or is it available online? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
willwood	18. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 5:58 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 5:58 PM EST I don't think it means anything, really. But at any rate, 715 is lower than 800 so not sure what that means. I do kinda think that TOK might mean something along the lines of adding an N to designate nuclear to a ship. (SS-73 , SSN-589) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Gusar	19. RE: I know I'm making a lot of topics lately, but... Nov 3 2009, 7:24 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 3 2009, 7:27 PM EST "And about Cameron's HUD, I think that's just because her chip is different." Actually, I though it has to do with her eyes being blue. Different lens, different optics and such. It makes total sense - different color signifies different optics which allow her to see in color instead of the red that all other Termies have. But then they made her eyes red in the last episode. Which I will forever see as a total goof, and no matter what explanations hey come up with, I'll always see them as spinning their way out of admitting a screw-up. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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