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Schmacky	20. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 1:53 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 1:53 PM EST Is the Red Wiki and Blue Wiki little countries and there's a political war going on? Damn... they're just wikis. This one sucks btw Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DeadpooI	21. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 1:56 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 1:56 PM EST "Is the Red Wiki and Blue Wiki little countries and there's a political war going on? Damn... they're just wikis. This one sucks btw" Actually, we prefer to think of them as military bases on either sides of an empty box canyon. Even if one conquers the other, you've still only got two bases in an empty box canyon. Whoopty-funking doo! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
R.Daneel_Olivaw	22. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 1:58 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 1:58 PM EST "Actually, we prefer to think of them as military bases on either sides of an empty box canyon. Even if one conquers the other, you've still only got two bases in an empty box canyon. Whoopty-funking doo!" Can you say 'box-canyon'? My ex hated that term. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DeadpooI	23. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 2:00 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 2:00 PM EST "Can you say 'box-canyon'? My ex hated that term." That I can. And for a small fee I'll can climb through your ex's letterbox and write "box-canyon" all over her walls, tiles, ceilings, and household pets. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RowenMayfair	24. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 2:02 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 2:02 PM EST Cursing is bad, m'kay. Ever notice, whenever you try and fight censorship, you get people telling you to shut up? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tscc1000	25. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 2:11 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 2:11 PM EST "... But I don't wanna be destructive. So I am proposing some improvements: I suggest no more deletion, but thread/post closing instead. It's bearable to " **** " swear words or REALLY offending passages. I comply to admonishing trolls (or ban them if it's REALLY nessecary). What do you think members? " I support constructive efforts like this! But the decisive question for me is, what was actually the reason for deleting threads like Exodus 1-3. Obviously there was no flame war or insulting going on. So why were they considered "offensive"? What was the "evil" in this threads? It's time for the admins/mods to talk to us and give at least a piece of insight to their decision-making. I think they should have an interest to avoid the impression of arbitrariness. So dear admins/mods, speak with us! What's actually the point? PS: I personally don't care about the language of the gutter, but why is it so important for some to display their "excellent treasury" of swearing words? The language of the gutter isn't the criterion for freedom of speech (at least not an important one)! Let's focus on the contents and messages of speech. That's what matters and where I don't want censorship! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TentoTwenty	26. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 2:15 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 2:17 PM EST Seriously can I ask what the ** you all are blathering on about? Is it really that big of deal that the people who ridiculed IE's Wiki or the AJ Wiki as you all loved to call it went and started their own Wiki. Who the ** cares. Its just the damn internet. All of this because of a not being able to see curse words? Seriously that is lame. Even for you guys its lame. Its four letter words big deal. You know what's funny. When Mods where making my summer life in here a living hell no one seemed to give a crap, now the MODS do it all on a unilateral scale and you all cant stop crying about the ways things use to be here. Face it, this Wiki thing has ran its course, no one wants to be here anymore for a lot of reasons, Cursing is about the lamest reason I have ever seen. Its just words and its just the internet. You all need to get over it and move on. You want the wiki back to the way it was talk to those people who left, they are the ones you should all be bugging not the ones who stayed. Jeez its just the internet people. Post reply 7 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
RowenMayfair	27. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 2:16 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 2:16 PM EST "I support constructive efforts like this! But the decisive question for me is, what was actually the reason for deleting threads like Exodus 1-3. Obviously there was no flame war or insulting going on. So why were they considered "offensive"? What was the "evil" in this threads? It's time for the admins/mods to talk to us and give at least a piece of insight to their decision-making. I think they should have an interest to avoid the impression of arbitrariness. So dear admins/mods, speak with us! What's actually the point? PS: I personally don't care about the language of the gutter, but why is it so important for some to display their "excellent treasury" of swearing words? The language of the gutter isn't the criterion for freedom of speech (at least not an important one)! Let's focus on the contents and messages of speech. That's what matters and where I don't want censorship!" Its a lack of intelligence if you are unable to convey a point across without the help of curse words. Why 7 magical words debilitate an otherwise healthy working brain and communicative skills, is just crazy to me......I like cursing, but not that much. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RowenMayfair	28. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 2:17 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 2:20 PM EST "Seriously can I ask what the ** you all are blathering on about? Is it really that big of deal that the people who ridiculed IE's Wiki or the AJ Wiki as you all loved to call it went and started their own Wiki. Who the ** cares. Its just the damn internet. All of this because of a not being able to see curse words? Seriously that is lame. Even for you guys its lame. Its four letter words big deal. You know what's funny. When Mods when making my summer life in here a living hell no one seemed to give a crap, now the MODS do it all on a unilateral scale and you all cant stop crying about the ways things use to be here. Face it, this Wiki thing has ran its course, no one wants to be here anymore for a lot of reasons, Cursing is about the lamest reason I have ever seen. Its just words and its just the internet. You all need to get over it and move on. You want the wiki back to the way it was talk to those people who left, they are the ones you should all be bugging not the ones who stayed. Jeez its just the internet people. " Right There. This. Some people act like all of us in here, who started our fandom in this wiki, are of BLOOD relation. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Jenkehs	29. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 3:02 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 11:47 PM EST The filter isn't going away, apparently. Censorship is something you're gonna have to deal with, since that is what the Admins want. Like it or not, it's here to stay. ~ Threads involving cencorship, exodus (which was mod bashing) and blue wiki ~ Are not allowable, in attempts of maintaining peaceful order. These topics are acts of rebellion, and are tearing the red wiki apart causing a Civil War Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
RowenMayfair	30. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 3:03 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 3:03 PM EST "The filter isn't going away, apparently. Cencorship is something you're gonna have to deal with, since that is what the Admins want. Like it or not, it's here to stay. ~ Threads involving cencorship, exodus (which was mod bashing) and blue wiki ~ Are not allowable, in attempts of maintaining peaceful order. These topics are acts of rebellion, and are tearing the red wiki apart causing a Civil War " Civil War by Guns and Rose's. :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kaotic	31. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 3:06 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 5:01 PM EST I reactivated my account, because I thought it was time that one of the admins from the other wiki made a post. This wiki has good mods and I can name a few of the top of my head: SarahWannabe, Jenkehs, Athena98501 and Birdman (some didn’t like him, I know he’s not a mod any longer). The people I just mentioned were only trying to help the site, and imo did a good job. The censorship on the site by its admins is the reason the first of us left to begin with. I know that some thought we left because we had problems with the members of the wiki, well I can tell you that isn’t the case. We’re all TSCC fans, I don’t care what type of fan you are (aj, jameron or whatever); you should still be able to stay anything you want until it starts to disrespect another member (example: racial slurs would be disrespectful and disallowed). However, some people are saying that by censorship we mean cursing. That’s not the only censorship we’re talking about; for example, you have threads being locked, and deleted for no reason. Two or more people might be discussing something and the thread is locked because someone thinks it’s going to start or has become a flame war. CONTINUED Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
kaotic	32. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 3:07 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 3:22 PM EST I’m not going to say that the ‘blue wiki’ will be around in two years, but I will say that the ones that made the site will still find a place to talk to one another. We’re not there because want to steal members from this wiki, or kill this wiki in some manner. When we first made the site it was about 10-20 of us, and that was fine with us. We wanted to be able to speak our minds no matter if it was about Jameron, fanfictions or TSCC in general; without having to worry that, we might say something that could end with a banning, or having the thread locked, or deleted. One last thing, I don’t understand why people keep trying to make this out to a damn war between the two site. I guess I’m confused to why this has become a ‘red vs blue’ battle in some people’s eyes. I don’t want to see this site gone, delete, or destroyed from the internet, but some people seem to think that we’re trying get rid of it. We’re not trying to kill the community either as some other people has suggested. Adding another site to the lists of fan sites will not kill the community, we’re all TSCC fans, and as such, we welcome everyone. In addition, no one is forcing anyone from this wiki, if you like this place stay, and have fun. That’s all any of us are trying to do, we just want to have fun talking about TSCC. P.S. I haven’t spoken to Tento, and Rowen in a while, just thought I would say Hi. I hope you two are doing well. BTW- The admins do not want these kinds of topics on this wiki, so please, obey their wishes and stop making these threads. None of the mods, and admins on the other wiki want a 'civil war' or any lame internet war. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Sarah_Connor	33. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 4:46 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 4:46 PM EST Using my alternate account, this is InstantEntertainment to add her two cents about this all. So far, this Wiki has gone the way DES and I had anticipated. It tore itself apart in petty fights, pdv's and thread trolling. When DES and I decided to leave this place, it was for a good number of reasons. First off, the lack of support from above when we were chat mods. There was a limit, and they reached it when they started calling us more and more on our calls. Second, I got slapped on the wrist when I lost my cool, but when someone trolled me in my own thread, he could call me names without repercussion. The aforementioned reasons are only two out of many. And for as far as I am concerned it's all water under the bridge now. Honestly, I don't care about this place anymore. The Clan's my home. As for Red vs. Blue, I fail to see why there should be a fight over it. Is it better? I don't know. Is the Clan better? I don't know. I read the new CoC, and think it is the worst solution to 'gain' back what is lost: respect. Respect is something you earn and not demand. Banning over cussing the heck out of someone or something? Com'on! That's ridiculous and will only lead to less respect from the remaining members. This Wiki used to be a place of mutual respect despite our differences. If this Wiki is to survive, the mods and admins should loosen up a little. I was accused of running the Clan with an iron fist but that fist seems to be a velvet one compared to here. That said, I will not return here under my formal account. And if the mods and admins have a problem with this post, they can delete it and/or ban this account as well. These are my two cents. Post reply 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
R.Daneel_Olivaw	34. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 5:22 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 5:22 PM EST General IE and Agent K in the same thread again. I want MOAR. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TentoTwenty	35. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 5:30 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 5:30 PM EST To Kaotic, Hey dude. To some points raised in your posts. As I said, I had MODS tailing me all summer long, deleting my posts making everything personal with me, censoring everything I did everything even if it was something like favoritism sucks. When I complained about it, it was all Tento grow up, Tento this about the preservation of the Wiki, Tento its all your fault everything turned to poop around here and yadda yadda, I am over it. As time has shown the real trouble makers have revealed themselves and I always laugh the hardest at what has become of a internet message board which is my point, yall wanted to leave so ya left. It is what is. When the MODS tried to make this place a little more for the whole fandom of Terminator yall campaigned and voted and cried for it to stay the way it is. And how do you all repay that, by leaving and turning this place into a ghost town. So much for you all having some fortitude some back bone. I post at IE's Wiki and as you all can see I still post here, cause you know what, ITS THE INTERNET TO ME. Nothing more nothing less. All I ever hear is save the show, save the show, save the show, keep up the fight and all that jazz, and now we got everyone crying over curses and locked threads and the MODS being after you. Sorry but LAUGHTER pure LAUGHTER. Again when it was me it was all good. I dealt with it. Its the rules of this place, you all went and found another place, that's great but why all this nonsense now I'll never know, Nor will I care past this post. You wanna leave, leave, you wanna stay, stay, but please if I got told time and time again to grow up well I am telling you all the same. Grow up and realize this is the internet. If you're happy at the spot you are now great, but please stop all this needless crying over rules. We all had a hand in what's become of this place. Mods and Members alike. Post reply 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Sarah_Connor	36. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 6:06 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 6:06 PM EST Hey, Tento, guess we both got downvoted. Someone must love us still. As for the downfall of this place. It's been many months since I posted here last. But yeah, I know that I am not squeaky clean, that I wash my hands in blood of this place. I'm not afraid to admit that. There was a time that I would have liked to see this place perish the flames of JayDay because so many hurt me so. Now I do not care anymore. It is like you said, Tento, this is the internet. To which I want to add: we can chose to be on the internet we want to be. The shy become the vocal. The strategist becomes the hardcore fighter. We rant over personified opinions like we have been attacked personally. But in the end, it's just the internet. And hey, there's an off-switch on the computer. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
TentoTwenty	37. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 6:19 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 6:19 PM EST "Hey, Tento, guess we both got downvoted. Someone must love us still. As for the downfall of this place. It's been many months since I posted here last. But yeah, I know that I am not squeaky clean, that I wash my hands in blood of this place. I'm not afraid to admit that. There was a time that I would have liked to see this place perish the flames of JayDay because so many hurt me so. Now I do not care anymore. It is like you said, Tento, this is the internet. To which I want to add: we can chose to be on the internet we want to be. The shy become the vocal. The strategist becomes the hardcore fighter. We rant over personified opinions like we have been attacked personally. But in the end, it's just the internet. And hey, there's an off-switch on the computer." Someone has been loving me long time in here with the PDV, it means nothing to me. There is a off switch on all our computers. Most def. And I agree with your post, I too wanted this place to burn, I reveled in the idea, then it hit by way of a talk with Schmacky, its just the internet. Nothing is sacred, no opinion is safe and the more you use your fingers to say what's on your mind the more little cowards drown in their sorrow of not being able to take you in a discussion. Ever since that talk with Schmacky this has all become a nonstop laugh a minute riot for me. In the end is any of this, what we all did and said to each other gonna change anything? No, is it gonna change that this show brought out the real nasty in all of us nope it wont, Is all this nonsense gonna bring TSCC back? NOPE. Its not. So post where you want. Do what you will but save me all the political crying, I of all people in here have no sympathy for people crying about how the MODS here treated anyone. Its their site, which means its their rules. End of debate. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Gusar	38. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 6:27 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 6:27 PM EST "~ Threads involving cencorship, exodus (which was mod bashing) and blue wiki ~ Are not allowable, in attempts of maintaining peaceful order." There's just one huge problem you mods don't seem to understand - your behavior is causing the exact opposite of "peaceful order". You can call it "mod bashing" if you will. But what those threads showed is that there is a problem here! Deleting those threads without any dialogue will not make the problem go away. It spawns threads like this one, for one thing. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Jenkehs	39. RE: Members against censorship Nov 9 2009, 6:51 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 6:51 PM EST I doesn't matter, the voices are not heard by those who can do something about it. All this does is create a huge mess to clean up, and disrupts the quiet and peaceful members left here! There's no sense in comlaining, cause changes won't be made. It's not a topic open for discussion or debate. This thread ONLY remains because a few good points were made recently. If this gets out of hand again, it will be removed. Your complaints need to be directed to the Admins via PM. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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