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Gusar
40. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 6:56 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 6:56 PM EST
"1) I doesn't matter, the voices are not heard by those who can do something about it.
All this does is create a huge mess to clean up, and disrupts the quiet and peaceful members left here!

2) There's no sense in comlaining, cause changes won't be made.
It's not a topic open for discussion or debate."
And then you wonder why people are leaving? Especially point 2 reads like... blah. Yeah, no word to describe it other than 'blah'. Do you find this valuable?    

Sarah_Connor
41. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 7:14 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 7:14 PM EST
"1) I doesn't matter, the voices are not heard by those who can do something about it.
All this does is create a huge mess to clean up, and disrupts the quiet and peaceful members left here!

2) There's no sense in comlaining, cause changes won't be made.
It's not a topic open for discussion or debate.

3) This thread ONLY remains because a few good points were made recently.
If this gets out of hand again, it will be removed."
1) When the Clan first started out, there was a lot of hate for this place that carried over. You know how we fixed it? An admin/mod made a Complain about thread... We read it and it kept the rest of the forum clean.
Plus what good is a forum with only quiet members left? Activity will plummet to an all time low, but if that is what you prefer.

2) Too bad, because the only solution I see for this place is a reform. The upper management is actually demanding respect in a forceful way and that will lead to even more people leaving since they won't feel respected or heard.

3) Isn't that dictating censorship? Upper management gets to hear a few things they might not like, so the solution is to delete the thread? If there's people to blame for this place turning into some deserted town in the wild west with tumble weeds right now, it's upper management.
Strictness is good. I know. I'm an Admin over at the Clan. But sometimes you need to cut people a little slack and reel them back in gently. Honey works better than vinegar. Do you find this valuable?    
blue__wiki
blue__wiki
42. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 7:14 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 7:14 PM EST
This is forced drama by unhappy people. Sorry what is the point of canceling your account, reactivating and complaining about a place you don't want to be. Grow some fortitude and stay gone and quiet for the remaining fans and new fans that are lurking and or might migrate here. 2  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    

rref
43. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 7:18 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 7:18 PM EST
"
~ Threads involving cencorship, exodus (which was mod bashing) and blue wiki ~
Are not allowable, in attempts of maintaining peaceful order.

These topics are acts of rebellion, and are tearing the red wiki apart causing a Civil War
"
Hey Jen. Though I don't agree with the principle behind banning the said topics, I can respect that as someone who is supposed to keep the peace, you've made your intentions absolutely clear and you've left this thread open to discuss it.

Generally speaking now, not just to Jen, I know that for me anyway, it was frustrating to see threads deleted without being told who did it or why. With the way things have been lately, it was almost as though mods,admins, or whatever have forgotten that locking threads, deleting pages, and especially banning members is a bigger deal than simply clicking on your screen. The fact that it happens every other day or the fact that members can just create a new whatever-it-is, be it a profile, thread, or page, doesn't change that.

There's a difference between trolling/flaming and strongly disagreeing over a subject; and there's also a difference between a member who disagrees with something and a member who is out of control or a troll. Most importantly, there's a big difference between something that has happened and something that will happen. Unless more occurred than I am aware, there have been cases --Birdman's perma-ban, to name one-- where those distinctions seem (<--strong emphasis) to have been forgotten or neglected. Again using Birdman's ban as an example, it was a big whodunnit (even amongst mods), and there was confusion over why it happened too.

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rref
44. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 7:18 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 7:18 PM EST
So mods, admins, whoever else... I ask that if you choose to exercise your authority, that you also have have enough conviction to put your name with your actions, and that you are willing to listen to reasonable objections. I'm not his biggest fan, and I know I've disagreed with some of LM's choices in the past, especially lately, but it has been my experience that should I ever present LM with an objection, he was always willing to hear me out. On one occasion when we still didn't come to a resolution, he told me to take it up with a higher-up. That, regardless of the original decision, is good moderating in my opinion. Both his willingness to do that, and contributions from really awesome members are two of the biggest reasons I didn't cancel my account and move on a long time ago. They're equally important and without both of those things, there is no reason to be here, especially since they can be found elsewhere.

...my 2 cents.


also... what Gusar said. Do you find this valuable?    
R.Daneel_Olivaw
R.Daneel_Olivaw
45. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 7:44 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 7:44 PM EST
"This is forced drama by unhappy people. Sorry what is the point of canceling your account, reactivating and complaining about a place you don't want to be. Grow some fortitude and stay gone and quiet for the remaining fans and new fans that are lurking and or might migrate here. "
Sorry but this argument, as truthful as it may be, loses some cred coming from an account that is hours old.

This poster sounds like someone who really cares for the community and the forum that drew it here. If I'm wrong about who this is, I apologize for the mistaken identity.

If you are who I think you are, come on back and talk about it. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
TheOnlyCameron
TheOnlyCameron
46. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 8:25 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 8:25 PM EST
I'm a MAC. Do you find this valuable?    
R.Daneel_Olivaw
R.Daneel_Olivaw
47. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 8:28 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 8:28 PM EST
"I'm a MAC."
No, your a TOC. Do you find this valuable?    
TheOnlyCameron
TheOnlyCameron
48. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 9 2009, 8:32 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 8:32 PM EST
"No, your a TOC."
Oh yeah...my bad. =-P Do you find this valuable?    
Jenkehs
Jenkehs
49. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 10 2009, 12:04 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 12:04 AM EST
Ironic how the person who made this and wanted a response in the first place isn't around anymore!

This thread has been addressed and turned over to the Admins
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t5000
t5000
50. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 10 2009, 1:42 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 1:42 AM EST
I just read this thread, and I dont know what the red or blue wikis are ?
but I am against censorship, and if a thread or post is deleted or locked, it should be said there or somewhere why it was deleted and who deleted it.
as for profanity, I think mild use is ok, and I dont think someone should be banned for it. it really depends on how it is used and how much is used by one member. [ this is just done for example to any mod seeing this LOL] If I said "sh*t man" in a sentence , I dont think it is that bad, but if I say "someone is a piece of sh*t " then that is different.
I also think that most , at least 90% of people here in past were over 21 .

I also have to say I enjoyed reading some threads where few people were aruging or flaming each other, so no reason to delete threads cause of that, just tell the people doing it to chill out.
I also see nothing wrong with a mod /admin bashing thread, only a few people, mainly the ones doing the bashing will read it, and it allows them to get it said instead of on some other thread.
people should be alowwed to post what they want and if they get too far out of line then mods should just try talking to them first.
and lastly arguing is ok, disagreeing is ok but you should never hate another member [ it is ok to not like them LOL ]as we all have the same interest in tscc and the goal of bringing it back in some form. or just talking about it or terminator related topics.
so in closing no thread should be deleted or locked without a really good reason , that is explained. Do you find this valuable?    
Alexsw
Alexsw
51. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 10 2009, 1:54 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 6:16 AM EST
"1) Ironic how the person who made this and wanted a response in the first place isn't around anymore!

2) This thread has been addressed and turned over to the Admins
"
1) Nothing ironical... Just sleeping!
You know, there are different countries and continents on this planet with different time zones ;)

2) By the way. Are there just two of them left? I only know Wild-Cat and Denkiva being around...
So what do the both of you think about my suggestions? I just wanna see an united fanbase.
For this goal we all have to make concessions... Do you find this valuable?    
Alexsw
Alexsw
52. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 10 2009, 1:55 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 1:55 AM EST
"Is the Red Wiki and Blue Wiki little countries and there's a political war going on?

Damn... they're just wikis.

This one sucks btw"
Don't say SUCK, LOL Do you find this valuable?    
Alexsw
Alexsw
53. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 10 2009, 2:30 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 2:30 AM EST
One thing I have to add:

Admins/mods bashing is NOT my intend!
I regard them as something like a "real" administration - for the good of this wiki.
BUT what is this wiki? It simply consists of it's members.
And as in reality, the members should be able to take influence in decision making (think about it!).

Remenber: we depend on each other!
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sNaKeBiTe69
sNaKeBiTe69
54. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 10 2009, 10:54 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 10:54 AM EST
"I doesn't matter, the voices are not heard by those who can do something about it.
All this does is create a huge mess to clean up, and disrupts the quiet and peaceful members left here!

There's no sense in comlaining, cause changes won't be made.
It's not a topic open for discussion or debate.
(...)"
So let me get this straight
This wiki is kinda like East Germany. With the Government pretending to act in favor of the people, while there are huge arguments and concerns amongst those very people. They are fleeing from East Germany every day, leaving everything behind, because they don't want to put up with a goverment in which they have no say. A government that after 40 years drove the complete country against the wall (HA! get the joke? ;) )without any economic future in sight.
Of course the government is de jure deeply democratic with a 1-party-system. But de facto everyone who has a different oppinion will face serious consequences. The government legitimizes it's actions by saying that it saves the people from the "evil" capitalism in West Germany and therefore enforces censorship laws in almost every part of life.
So there's no sense in comlaining, cause changes won't be made.
(remember: I said KINDA!)

And I really don't get it, because obviously the country faces HUGE problems, which they do not allow to be discussed.
Luckily for this Wiki they are not facing the problem to make a choice between two totally contrary ideologies of which one is practiced by a federation of states from which they are completely dependant. No, it's much easier than that!

History always repeats itself... It's ironic that exactly 20 years and 1 day ago East Germany fell. Brought down by an unprecedented peaceful revolution of it's people.
@The Admins and Mods: Do something now before it's too late! "Wir sind das Volk!" 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
Wild-Kat
Wild-Kat
55. RE: Members against censorship
Nov 10 2009, 11:06 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 11:06 AM EST
Ok guys, back to the basics here....Keep it respectful and keep it clean.

If you have a problem with mod or any member, take it to PM. This site is a gathering of people who started with a common interests around a single topic that grew into much more. It still can be for those who want to participate...

Time to move on to far better topics...locking this thread... 0  out of 15 found this valuable. Do you?    
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