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MUSICALDAYDREAM	Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 9 2009, 6:44 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 9 2009, 7:25 PM EST I came up with this theory because I firmly believe there is a human component to Cameron. Wether that is from traveling to the past and getting to know the younger John Connor or something else is unknown due to the lack of a third season. I know most of you believe this issue has been laid to rest but please bear with me on this one :) In the 2nd season episode "Allison from Palmdale" Cameron suffers chip damage and begins seeing her interrogation of Allison. Well my theory is that Cameron is Allison I know, I know. Catherine Weaver can take on any form right? My thought is that Catherine was the one interrogating Allison and that Allison herself is actually an advanced terminator with human capabilities who is working with Future John. This could explain why she has familial stories, but some parts of her are still robotic if you watch closely. I think her chip has malfunctioned and she believes she is completely human, but her allegiance to JC still remains, causing her to withhold important information. Later we see Catherine/ fake Cameron snap "Allison's" neck after she finds out she lied to her. However in AFP we see a parallel through "Cameron" strangling Jody and not killing her. This may prove that "Allison" was not killed, just injured and survived to escape. However, the damage from Catherine/fake Cameron's attack may have caused damage to her chip causing her to want to kill John, which failed. With Future JC realizing that something is wrong with advanced terminator "Allison's" chip, he reprograms her, erasing her memory. This would establish him "building" "Cameron" in the sense that he gives her that name. He then gives her the mission of protecting his younger self and mother in the past because he knows from previous experience that he can trust her. But her chip malfunctions in AFP she begins to relive her experiences before being reprogrammed. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: Allison Cameron Connor Human John Season Terminator Theory Weaver
termi-ninja-tor	1. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 9 2009, 10:34 PM EST OK, this is possible. But why would Weaver want to pretend to be Allison or Cameron? Maybe to infiltrate John's camp? And what happened to the original Allison? I suppose Cameron interrogated her before all this happened. Do you think Weaver would have known Cameron was a cyborg? Maybe Cameron's captors thought she was Allison, that's why they gave her the food and she threw the food away because she didn't need to eat. Was Cameron very close to John? Like they were in love? Or, was she just another reprogrammed cyborg active in John's camp? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Enigma6482	2. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 9 2009, 10:44 PM EST Interesting theory, but we see Alison at the end of "Born to Run" (next to a dog so we know she's human). Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
horhai	3. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 9 2009, 11:37 PM EST i like cameron Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MUSICALDAYDREAM	4. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 10:30 AM EST Weaver os part of the terminator resistance that wants to take down Skynet so she might have wanted to see how John's camp from the inside. I think it's possible Weaver may have known Cameron was a terminator with a chip malfunction which made her believe she was completely human, this could be the reason Weaver did not kill her, wanting her to infiltrate the camp. After "Cameron's" reprogramming it is hinted that she and John are extremely close and that the only person he talks to is her, spending most of his waking hours with her (said by Jesse.) We also can see in the series that past John obviously has some sort of feelings for her in "Born to Run" due to his reaction when he finds her exposed and her chip gone. I don't believe there is no connection between the two here is obviously something there. :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Xynoxx	5. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 1:26 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 1:40 PM EST Not wanting to spoil your parade. First,, I'll say that I've had the same thoughts for some time. I put the idea up ages ago, that Cameron IS Allison. My theory was that she was the Resistance version of the LMT emissary, i,e,, she was on a mission to meet with them, but got mortally wounded on the way. What was left of her was "repaured" by the faction. She became a cyborg called Cameron. The scenes of interrogation could have been what was left of her original consciousness, interpreting what was happening to her as "torture", aided by all her fears of capture. She became Cameron, as i've said. I must admit I prefer Cameron to to Allison, Remember "We chose you. John Connor chose you." The flaw in my theory is the base programming; but perhaps the Rebel machinnes use what was available at the time. (It has been suggested that John Henry could now "repaire" Cameron and remove the base program. Allison after John's jump. Is she indeed Allison in this new timeline? Or is it Weaver keeping an eye out for John? The way this Allison looked blankly at John was, to me, less like someone who did not know him, and more like the stare the LMT on the sub (Weaver, most now agree)gave the crew when she had taken over the likeness of the female member. Just an idea. Edit: Should have added - when I first put this up, the metal-hating crowd went ape. They thought the idea impossible. Glau herself has said that Cemeron is part human. We just don't know how much. Curses upon those who cancelled the show. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Enigma6482	6. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 2:16 PM EST "Not wanting to spoil your parade. Fisrt, I'll say that IÄve hand the same thoughts for some time. I put the idea up ages ago, that Cameron IS Allison. My theory was that she was the Resistance version of the LMT emissary, i,e,, she was on a mission to meet with them, but got mortally wounded on the way. What was left of her was §repared§ by the faction. She became a cyborg called Cameron. The scenes of interrogatzion could have been what was left of her original consciousness, interpreting what was happening to her as "torture", aided by all her fears of capture. She became Cameron, as i've said. I must admit I prefer Cameron to to Allison, The flaw in my theory is the base programming; but perhaps the Rebel machinnes what was available at the time. (It has been suggested that John Henry could now "repaire" Cameron and remove the base program. Allison after John's jump. Is she indeed Alliso in this new timeline? Or is it Weaver keeping an eye out for John? The way this Allison looked blankly at John was, to me, less like someone who did not know him, and more like the stare the LMT on the sub gave the crew when she had taken over the likeness of the femal member. Just an idea. Edit: Should have added - when I first put this up, the metal-hating crowd went ape. They thought the idea impossible. Glau herself has said that Cemeron is part human. We just don't know how much. Curses upon those who cancelled the show." Sorry to burst this theory (b/c it is interesting); but it was Alison at the end of "Born to Run", I say this for 2 reasons. 1) Alison is petting a dog (which would have gone nuts if she was a LMT, as proved by T2). and 2) JF says in the commentary that it is Alison at the end of BTR. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MUSICALDAYDREAM	7. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 2:17 PM EST First, I appreciate anyones input, I know my theory has holes, due to not knowing more information. Second, I believe that when John jumps forward in time the person he meets would be the Allison base program, meaning that she is almost completely human which is why the dogs don't bark. I also think that Weaver may be the dog she is petting but I absolutely do not believe that Weaver herself is the girl just trying to keep an eye out for John due to his reaction to her, if it was Weaver I think would've known. Third, I like your theory, however you are right about the base programming. Although we believe that there has to be a human component to Cameron, it has to be hidden in her programming, which has not been revealed thanks to cancellation. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Enigma6482	8. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 2:26 PM EST "First, I appreciate anyones input, I know my theory has holes, due to not knowing more information. Second, I believe that when John jumps forward in time the person he meets would be the Allison base program, meaning that she is almost completely human which is why the dogs don't bark. I also think that Weaver may be the dog she is petting but I absolutely do not believe that Weaver herself is the girl just trying to keep an eye out for John due to his reaction to her, if it was Weaver I think would've known. Third, I like your theory, however you are right about the base programming. Although we believe that there has to be a human component to Cameron, it has to be hidden in her programming, which has not been revealed thanks to cancellation. " I don't believe animal’s reaction (of fear or anger or whatever) is based on a Terminators program; but the physical fact that they are "different", as in flesh over metal different. There was a theory awhile back that CW is actually both Alison and the dog at the end of BTR (she split herself like she did with the eel); but I would dispute that theory with the fact that I don't know if she has enough body mass to recreate 2 "large" creatures at once. And again, I get back to JF saying that it was Alison at the end of BTR. However, it could be that the Alison Young of the BTR timeline was never killed b/c Skynet had no need to replace her with Cameron (b/c there is no John Connor for Alison to become "close" with). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MUSICALDAYDREAM	9. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 2:43 PM EST I don't think CW is Allison and the dog, we are all forgetting that her main mission is to find John Henry, not to protect John so honestly she may not even be in these final moments. I also forgot about what JF said, so maybe it is Allison, however since this is another alternate timeline, it could be possible that Allison is required for John to be able to get Cameron back. Although I would hope, if they did a third season or Direct-to-DVD movie that they wouldn't try a romance with Allison, that wouldn't be true to his already developed relationship with Cameron and the whole reason he went to the future in the first place. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
termi-ninja-tor	10. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 2:46 PM EST There had to be a human Allison to begin with. Then Cameron was modeled on Allison, and MUSICALDAYDREAM's theory would have Weaver modeled on Cameron. Why couldn't the Summer Glau character that we saw with the dog at the end of Born to Run simply have been Allison, before Cam and Weaver? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Enigma6482	11. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 2:47 PM EST "I don't think CW is Allison and the dog, we are all forgetting that her main mission is to find John Henry, not to protect John so honestly she may not even be in these final moments. I also forgot about what JF said, so maybe it is Allison, however since this is another alternate timeline, it could be possible that Allison is required for John to be able to get Cameron back. Although I would hope, if they did a third season or Direct-to-DVD movie that they wouldn't try a romance with Allison, that wouldn't be true to his already developed relationship with Cameron and the whole reason he went to the future in the first place." I think they would brush on that, and John would have a lot of conflict over who to choose Alison or Cameron (or possibly Savannah as Thomas Dekker pointed out); but in the end John is in love with Cameron and traveled across time for Cameron and I believe he would ultimately follow after her. I do however believe that Alison will end up dying for (or b/c of) either John, Cameron, or both of them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
45longslide	12. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 2:51 PM EST "I came up with this theory because I firmly believe there is a human component to Cameron. " This is an interesting theory. Thanks for articulating it. Perhaps you hinted at these items and I didn't pick them up but if Allison is a cyborg, why whould the Term's feed her the oatmeal while she was held captive on the ship? This is an intersting theory. I suppose I could go along with your thinking if there was some explanation why Allison was able to have the vivid recall of her mother and the need to place the phone call she made in AFP. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Enigma6482	13. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 2:56 PM EST "Why couldn't the Summer Glau character that we saw with the dog at the end of Born to Run simply have been Allison, before Cam and Weaver?" I think it was just our poor little Alison Young traipsing through that particular tunnel. There was no need (yet) for Skynet to create a "Cameron" model of Terminator. Skynet specifically created Cameron for John (for infiltration purposes) b/c John was close to or had some sort of connection with Alison. Without John Connor, Skynet would not need to create Cameron. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MetalHunter	14. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 3:45 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 3:46 PM EST If we talk of "Allison" Philips ... I talk with some friends, some time ago, about Marcus Wright, the man Terminator in T4. We have reached an interesting conclusion: Marcus must have a chip yet, and if it is extracted, Marcus is completely paralyzed. Why? Suppose that you adapt to a body terminal, to serve as a human body prostetic. Virtually all systems of the body muscles are replaced by cyber equivalents. An armored man sounds great, but we have a big problem: The human brain does not know how to command actuators and hydraulic pistons. That man is completely paralyzed. The solution? A cybernetic implant in the brain to create an interface with the body. What is the best solution for a device to communicate directly with the brain, and he to order the body of a Terminator? Yup, a cybernetic brain. A Terminator chip. In addition, we have advantage that it can provide intelligent HUD support, storage, etc. ... An interesting fact is that the optimal area for a solid implant in the brain is exactly the upper right, for that is exactly the area to be replaced. You can reach the brain stem (for an intimate interconnection), with the "only" disadvantage of partial loss of memory. So Marcus has to have a chip running a simple program, without AI. A chip that was deleted? >>> Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MetalHunter	15. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 3:45 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 3:47 PM EST If we assume that Cameron is actually Allison that has been transformed into cyborg (as Marcus), she must have a chip, too. It is interesting that this solution explains a lot of show. # As I said, without chip, Cameron is completely paralyzed, but she sees and hears. Reminds you of something? # S&D: Cameron in her brain is physically injured, and she loses consciousness. Meanwhile, the damaged chip is reactivated, takes over the body and start hunting John. Perhaps Cameron and regained consciousness only in the last moments before the famous "I love you". It is creppy that she was conscious while Sarah prepared her roasting, but in the end, Cameron ordered to her chip the removal of Termination order. # AFP: Cameron is hurt on the brain, there are questions as she to forget certain things? # Problems with hands: she has a damaged brain/body interface (the chip). # BTR: Cameron is not dead, she remained in present, now paralyzed. But she needs only a good chip and reprogrammed accordingly. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Xynoxx	16. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 4:18 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 10 2009, 4:21 PM EST Well, it would appear that each of us has some part of the puzzle. The question will be where each piece goes, if any fit at all. The frustration is in the waiting to see when this show will get started again. I, for one, hope it's bloody soon, eveb though current evidence suggets it will take nlonger, not sooner. And that's the pity. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DarKStaR350z	17. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 8:19 PM EST "Well, it would appear that each of us has some part of the puzzle. The question will be where each piece goes, if any fit at all. The frustration is in the waiting to see when this show will get started again. I, for one, hope it's bloody soon, eveb though current evidence suggets it will take nlonger, not sooner. And that's the pity." Its looking like we wont get Season 3 at all which makes it worse as we will be guessing this stuff for all time :( Even if they do a 'Firefly\Serenity' it could be 4 years of guessing :( Lets hope not, I need to know! lol Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DarKStaR350z	18. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 9:10 PM EST I just finished rewatching episode 10 'Strange things happen at the one two point' and thought it was interesting when the AI and chip are being discussed. They say at the meal something like, If you could turn your memorys - your conciousness - into data, you could store it on the chip' Perhaps this is how Cameron has Allison's memorys? I found it strange that in the episode 'Allison from Palmdale' that Cameron didn't remember John in the present - if it was either Allison or Future Cameron's 'persona' that was dominant in the present until the near death of Jodie - both of them would have memorys of John I would think? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Caesis	19. RE: Cameron/Allison Theory Nov 10 2009, 9:20 PM EST My Cameron/Allison theory? Allison Cameron - Medical Doctor on Gregory House's Diagnostic team. Allison - The human that Cameron was modeled after. Cameron - A terminator modeled after Alison. Two Fox shows. Ain't that funny? Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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